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The BeavChris and BArt-Head Show, S02E02

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Welcome to Season 2, Episode 2 of The BeavChris and BArt-Head Show, a podcast for the Farcaster middle class.

Clips:

  1. Criticism should not bring down a house of cards https://drakula.app/post/0330e6af-53af-48f8-a895-efd4b81a36af?invite=Nhbkqw&mintReferral=0x8D46349D6c41098b5f2a84E82250041E83731a51

  2. I also enjoy having fun https://drakula.app/post/2e786d3a-cfed-4ed3-9d30-b4c9c3f5ac30?invite=Nhbkqw&mintReferral=0x8D46349D6c41098b5f2a84E82250041E83731a51

  3. I'm a duck! I'm a goose! https://drakula.app/post/eec31b5c-16a4-46ca-afd9-31b5e6c574af?invite=Nhbkqw&mintReferral=0x8D46349D6c41098b5f2a84E82250041E83731a51

  4. And then what happened https://drakula.app/post/132257f4-50be-46c3-ac1b-c00d758ebc77?invite=Nhbkqw&mintReferral=0x8D46349D6c41098b5f2a84E82250041E83731a51

  5. The game is ... https://drakula.app/post/bc2aeb09-0518-4a84-acd9-787f305ca5f6?invite=Nhbkqw&mintReferral=0x8D46349D6c41098b5f2a84E82250041E83731a51

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Summary

Tune into The BeavChris and BArt-Head Show on Unlonely for a raw conversation on the gritty realities of crypto and social media. We tackle the snark and negativity on Warpcast, the tension between transparency and Silicon Valley’s break-things approach, and the constant struggle to stay authentic. Plus, listen for our sponsor shout-outs.

This episode was sponsored by Lunchbreak.com.

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Transcript

BeavChris

 Hello, we might be live on Unlonely. And GM. So as usual, before the show started, we were having a very heart to heart discussion. And I'm always like, dang it, it's always the good, the juicy stuff is always when we're not recording, is we dare to say everything that we're thinking about. But once the cameras are rolling, we're like, even art will self censor.

Unfortunately, this is still not the intimate level of chatting I would like, but a lot. Yes 

BArt-Head

Than you ever wanted. 

BeavChris

Yeah, some really bad memes and some pre show debate. Um, so, um the show. We are streaming on unlonely, minting on zora slash base. I hope to submit us to pods. Blogging on Paragraph with the help of Descript and ChatGPT, sharing clips on Drakula, and our presence is managed by Seemore.Tv

Shout out to all our partners there, and our Season 2 sponsors so far, the Pics or It Didn't Happen Community Bounty 325, which was itself sponsored by Degen grant. Oh, I didn't know that. And we will be having a nice ad break from lunchbreak.com. From Borodutch and Jason Kim dot eth.

So what trouble have you gotten up to lately, which we were discussing before the show started? 

BArt-Head

Yeah. So I want to say for the record, if you go on Warpcast and you search for two words, snark and negativity, you'll find three mentions ever in Farcaster history. Two of them come from the great Chris Dixon from a while ago. He was talking about how he's not on Twitter anymore because of all the snark and negativity. 

And the third mention was quite recent. One of the co hosts of this show was described as, actually it was a question, why all the snark and negativity?

BeavChris

Very diplomatic, very startup founder thing to say. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, from the founder of Warpcast and Farcaster, asking why all the snark and negativity. So we're bringing it. 

BeavChris

So we were discussing this in our group chat as well. As usual, my sentiment is that, okay, I know obviously a lot of the messaging from the Merkle team can be sometimes a little bit referencing that old film there, but I think I should have misused the G word very often.

But the idea is that there'll be features. And then there'll be features that are taken away and replaced by new features that were deemed not possible before, and we're supposed to pretend that was never said. And we're just moving on. So I do agree with you. 

BArt-Head

Sorry, what exactly are you? What exactly do you mean? This is the greatest solution. And then one day later, wait, here's a new solution, which is The greatest solution. The old one was only like a temporary measure. 

BeavChris

Yes, so so I agree with you the messaging there is problematic. And then, however, my argument for you before we started the stream was like, it's like we're all in this communal swimming pool. 

There are no other swimming pools to be and Art keeps pooping in the swimming pool. And I'm like, no it's we don't want to sell FUD, right? That's the part where I feel guilty because it's as the whole crypto ethos is you got to keep the spirits up, keep it positive, or else people are going to leave.

And the thing is, what we don't want is for the community to shrink, right? So 

BArt-Head

why do you think the crypto ethos is to avoid criticism? It's something that you've internalized from 

BeavChris

From being around, which I've never experienced before. Because it's because people are pumping bags. And to pump bags, you need to be positive.

And in a way, because you and I are creators on this platform, it becomes our bag. And therefore, it is not in our best interest to point out the flaws. 

BArt-Head

So I would say the crypto ethos draws from the cypherpunk ethos, which is all about saying things have to be built in a way that stands up to scrutiny. Transparency. Decentralization. Robustness. A smart contract should be able to be revealed to all permissionless people who run the nodes and still be safe to still protect your funds, right? 

BeavChris

Like I feel like those are like the old school original ethos, but it's been corrupted by Silicon Valley ethos, right? 

BArt-Head

Which is more about move fast break things as well as don't mess up the game for us. 

But there is a certain subset of us that are going to be in a GC and there's going to be a signal and everyone's going to dump together on the masses and get out with our yachts and our, and our wine. And let's run it back again. There is a bit of that which people internalize from seeing it.

Just like in the old Wall Street. There was lots of elements of insider cabals or groups of insider information. And the newer participants come in and they see, oh, this is how things are done, and they internalize it. And then you get some regulations that say there's no insider trading and everyone's haha, right? 

Are you kidding me? Don't you know this is how things are done? And then slowly someone says, wait, actually, no, we've got to do it differently. There is, I want to say very forcefully, that 

criticism should not bring down a house of cards. 

If you avoid criticism because you don't want to bring down the house of cards, that is a, a lack of confidence. To me, it's a lack of Optimism as opposed to a destructive energy. However, I do see there are, there are important nuances, like you don't step on a baby bird while they're learning.

But, if you see a big, massive hawk, you can hold its wings and let it exercise and get stronger. 

It's not 

BeavChris

Right. Like one, one artlu should not be enough to FUD the entire platform. So 

BArt-Head

Right, I'm a goose! 

BeavChris

That's fine. You can share. 

BArt-Head

I don't even know what I am. I don't know if I'm a duck or a goose. Yeah, you can be quiet because my bags, I've got, I'm going to say

what the thing is, where have you put your bags? Like, why have you put your bags in a way that a duck can, a duck with 2000 real followers. Most of whom are powerless, like, how can that change the direction of the platform? 

BeavChris

I think it's not even that right? It's more like I do agree with you, but I cannot get people to be on your side if you phrase the things that, that way. You're presenting criticism, but you're not presenting the solution. It's like the messaging can never really be about the criticism.

It has to be always about you want x, this platform's not providing you X anymore, by the way, here I can offer you something better. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. So I am frankly tired of more than a year of messaging , which is coming from the community grassroots. We want, X, y, z. And the messaging being this will not meaningfully grow DAU, or qDAU and here's an Opportunity For Another Client. 

And so for example eh, this is just like my sour grapes, but somebody built a really good search experience, much better than text search, much better than like things, and the Warpcast team said, Oh, like, how did you do that? That's really good.

That's really good. Let's highlight it. People that, like this builder has done a really good job. How did you do that? And so the builder was like really proud and shared with the tech. 

BeavChris

Okay. 

BArt-Head

The algorithm, the approach, the heuristics, and someone can correct me if my memory is wrong, but one week later, Warpcast said, Hey, we have great search now.

BeavChris

And actually it reminds me of how Amazon Basics works. Do you know about that? 

BArt-Head

So Amazon Basics, why don't you explain what you mean? 

BeavChris

Oh, okay. So if you have ever been a small business owner, So Amazon, you realize all the dirty tricks that Amazon does, right? Because they have all the analytical data.

So they know what the best selling products are. So then they would go to the factories in China, making the thing, and then make a cheaper clone version of your best selling product. So as a small business, it's actually really detrimental for you to be on Amazon most of the time, but you're forced to do this. 

BArt-Head

Takes all the risk. 

BeavChris

Mm hmm. 

BArt-Head

For part of the reward, Amazon takes much less risk because the small business has tested out the marketplace and confirmed the interest in such a product. And then they take most of the reward because of who they are. 

BeavChris

And then I'm seeing this happen on this platform where people who build really great stuff have the features cloned really quickly by the Warpcast team.

So I do think that is a little bit predatory, and I don't know. How anyone like a builder can overcome that because it's almost if you build something really good, you're just going to have it stolen or have your main like bread and butter taken away and you're told to build something that you know the Build something else or and that's why SocialFi games are popular because the Warpcast team is not going to play that game.

But in a way it is detrimental to the platform because it's like it actually de incentivizes builders, I think. And I'm not even a builder. So if I'm feeling that way, I have no idea how you all feel. 

BArt-Head

So that is a sentiment that has been expressed many times. And different builders have taken different paths.

There are some that are very brave and positive and optimistic and non zero sum, grow the pie innovative. They like, they can't help, but be innovative. They cannot help, but be positive. And then there's others who take a very hard look at the situation and draw whatever conclusions they need to draw to do whatever they need to do or find the direction that they need to take.

And this is natural. This is capitalism. This is, this is the state of nature, it's the dark forest. But I think my point to you before our call was this is not a dark forest. It's, there's, I don't know, 1500 devs. Where you don't have to play for the huge upside because it's not there. You don't have to play Facebook games. Facebook can play games because there's a trillion dollars for them to capture. And, and Amazon has a trillion dollars to go after. They're gonna go after it. The webcast team has. $50,000 to go after maybe let's say $10 million to go after.

And they're gonna gobble up, they're gonna choose to gobble up 500,000 of it, or 9 million of it. And, we'll see how much they end up gobbling and how much they leave for the, to incentivize the, ecosystem. But that's a fine line to be, to be drawing and we, everybody gets to observe what's happening and see yeah I'm not going to mention the thing that happened this week, but everybody can read the conversations and 

BeavChris

wait, which thing there's been so many things that I don't know which thing you're referring to. 

BArt-Head

Okay, yeah, maybe so maybe that's a sign of health that there's so many things. That people can throw their elbows and nobody sees them. 

BeavChris

Are you talking about the priority badge going away and spamming Twitter? 

BArt-Head

No, yeah, there there's many things. There are different podcasts that go through and like highlight what happened on Warpcast this week.

So we won't step on that kind of, we're not going for that niche. My niche is expressing my angst and expressing my dissatisfaction and trying to channel some dissatisfaction that I see, because I read so much. 

BeavChris

I think it's almost do you ever watch those Wired or whatever interviews with people whose job is to deprogram cults? 

BArt-Head

Okay no, but tell me what 

BeavChris

I feel like that's the kind if you really want to resolve your angst, like practically, like you need to learn how to deprogram cults. Like and the thing is and then I just feel like your technique of presenting criticism is exactly the opposite of what the programming call people say to do, because you're just going to create more like people who are going to, be contrarian just because you are contrarian, 

BArt-Head

yeah. There, I do see. 

BeavChris

I'm just trying to shape you to be the startup founder you're meant to be, and you have to use a lot of techniques you hate in order to do that. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, no, that's true, because there are more accounts that I've seen that have just been protest accounts or parody accounts. And I think there have always been parody accounts, but the ones now are much sharper in their criticism. Who knows if they're going to have staying power. 

Yeah, I thought it was very problematic that Warpcast took an English first approach to product design or social design. And I made a client, which is not English first, that has, spends 5 percent of my dev resources producing little captions in four different languages, not just one. 

And so I estimate that it takes 5 percent of my, my initiative and direction, it gets redirected into translation. And so there's, there is a cost, of, of not being English first, but. That cost can be quantified and it can be managed. So like I could spend 10%, I could spend 1%. There's, there is a range and it does not change the direction of things or meaningfully slow things down to have some Japanese, some German, some Spanish in the client, right? So I don't think I'm a parody account or a criticism account. 

However like when Streaks launched, I created a Streak and I pursued that Streak using Supercast. I did not schedule because. But I anticipated that many people would want to use the scheduling features. And it's not just Supercast, so HeroCast, Firefly, Recaster, all have scheduling. I wanted to understand how those streaks would make it into warpcast. 

Like I actively went to investigate the bounds and for , I do not know what technical reason was there, but I read all of the cult communication, including the stuff that said the streaks are on protocol. They're not a warpcast only feature. They're on protocol. Okay. Shared. I found my streak was broken, and I said, how did that happen?

Here are my cast hashes. That qualify for the streak. Okay. How did that not make it to the protocol? 

BeavChris

And then what happened? 

BArt-Head

Nothing. 

BeavChris

Oh,

BArt-Head

it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. 

BeavChris

So you're saying that something was claimed to be protocol level and then you discovered through your own experiments that it was not. 

BArt-Head

I discovered that they could not count streaks. They could not count streaks. 

BeavChris

Okay. 

BArt-Head

So Dan did have a, DWR did have a cast. If you are experiencing trouble with your streaks, please respond here. We are investigating some bugs. Yeah. So people, there, there were hundreds of replies, here's my streak.

I tried doing this. Let me give you some feedback. Here's my user experience. And he said, thank you. And. They're on it, they know about some bugs and they're going to address those bugs. So 

I'm not just criticizing. I try things in good faith to start. And after I find out that they're not, following the good faith interpretation, then they're like, that gets registered in my memory of, of some discount factor. Of what things are claimed to be and what they actually are. 

BeavChris

Again, I feel if you want people to vote with their feet, that needs to be a more cohesive alternative. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, I would push back on that. I said in a different space, Warpcast sucks. But the alternatives suck probably. 

BeavChris

Yeah. On the very beautiful chart you had. 

BArt-Head

Some point, perhaps a better alternative will come and the masses will move, right? . But that better alternative will not arise until the shitty alternative gets to grow and improve, and that shitty alternative does not improve until people try, contribute, pay, support, circulate, discuss. So there is, I hear the very clear point that if you don't have a better alternative, then just shut the fuck up. STFU, like how do you expect someone of their own free will to accept a worse experience? And part of being on social as well is. How do you expect someone to go somewhere where no one's there? And how do you expect? 

BeavChris

Yeah, so they have at least solved this first hardest problem is there are people here. The number of people is very debated. Please see Geoff Golberg's latest cast, but then there's a range. Yeah, at least it's like somewhere between, I want to say like 1000, 10, 000 people who are here, right? And It's like almost like you gotta make use of this is the resource you have is the conglomerate of people. 

BArt-Head

The people who came here, mostly came because Twitter was too centralized. And they had built things maybe in Twitter or Telegram and had those products de platformed or had their business models yanked from under them on, let's say, Telegram or Facebook or Twitter. And they said, look let's build here.

This is, this addresses those issues in a in a way that gives us some safety and security and risk. 

BeavChris

Exactly. Exactly.

BArt-Head

By, and I will also add that many people came to Farcaster before there were people here, right? When I joined, there were, I think the, yeah, I actually, I know exactly how many people were before me because I have my FID.

And all of those people came when there were fewer. So there, there is an element of you've got to go and be a pioneer at some point. But also there was a promise of being able to write to the protocol so that your casts would be viewable, whether you sent them via Warpcast or an alternative, and it has been close to nine months of issues, let's call them growing pains, where you can send a valid cast on the network through an alt client. And it can, it will not reliably show up on Warpcast. 

BeavChris

I guess my mind like you do to wrap this up. My question is have you seen a sort of open source project that it has private components that was improved through user criticism over time? 

BArt-Head

Yeah, there's all of open source works like that. It's shitty, and then it gets better. I personally don't see that pattern in Warpcast. I see every new feature becomes more and more opaque and centralized, controlled. So like the spam filter, which is possibly going to replace priority mode is part, part manual. It's iterative and we report and they deal with our reports.

So we don't see how many reports are happening in aggregate. We don't see stats of what has, what actions have been taken. We do see some feedback, privately, which is good. That means they built a feedback loop, but, but it's not public. 

BeavChris

Yeah. 

BArt-Head

And with the Power Badge, things were public. So public that people could see all the games, they could, there are clues of course. games that are being played in there. And the spam filter, if they choose to do certain things, there will be no way for us to know. 

BeavChris

For now. There's a chance that once again, they will change the messaging and the, whatever they're providing to make it more open source.

BArt-Head

Look, the moon might turn red. 

BeavChris

So anyway so I understand your frustration and to be honest, I feel the same way, the same frustration of are things really growing here? Or is that only the illusion of growth, and then of course, both of our little bags are here. So I am thinking about like, how can I make the situation better for my own mental health? However, 

BArt-Head

let's pump some bags. For the next two, three minutes. 

BeavChris

Exactly. So to pump some bags, let's name a dev who actually has voted with his legs before. Actually, I've asked Borodutch this question before, because he was showing me all the things he built with Telegram, because he was like a huge Telegram bot builder.

And then, the platform became more and more, like they were not good at dev relationship, et cetera. So then I was like, what was the solution? He was like, I voted with my feet and moved to Farcaster. And so now he has built this new Sort of socialfi like intro. co tool called lunchbreak. com who is our sponsor for this episode.

BArt-Head

He is sponsoring us this week. 

BeavChris

Yes, exactly so I have used lunchbreak. com myself and I have to say like I don't go for every single socialfi thing but this is one where i'm like Oh, this actually makes me feel good because it's not only a trading on popularity kind of game. It actually has a functional element So what you can do is you can sign up as a creator a person, or you can trade other people's seats.

And and essentially what you can do is go to a platform, sign up and you can see what is the, you can set the evaluation of like how much you want to charge people to message you on their messaging platform. Or you can buy other people's seats that you think are underpriced.

So I think it's a really. Interesting concept. I check my lunchbreak. com every few days to make sure if anyone messaged me and sadly no one has so far because my own seats have been bought by Borodutch and and Joseph, sorry, I'm forgetting his name for a second so 

BArt-Head

if I want to have a seat next to you and have lunch with you, how much would it cost me? 

BeavChris

Oh, I don't remember. About 30 worth of ETH, or something like that, or maybe even 15 worth of ETH. I did not set it very high. 

BArt-Head

Okay, so you set a price, and then if someone buys it, then they can either just hold on to it and hope someone pays more? 

BeavChris

Yes. 

BArt-Head

Or they can use it? When they use it, does the seat get released, or do they hold on to the seat?

BeavChris

Yes. So a seat is a, is perm, permanent until you sell it, is my understanding. 

BArt-Head

Okay, so it's something you own. 

BeavChris

Jason Kim is the co developer.

BArt-Head

Yeah, so you own the seat after you buy it. 

BeavChris

Correct. And then a seat will guarantee you the ability to message the person whose seat you own. And there's also like a separate price you set for anyone to message you as well, which is more like a traditional intro. co. Okay. Yes. And then if you sign up, at least Borodutch and Jason will buy your seat. So you will automatically earn to some extent, no guarantees from me. This is just the experience I've experienced so far and observed. Oh, Fufu said, I can't even sign in using Farcaster on lunch box.

I think, yeah, lunch break. Message Borodutch about this. As usual, we are so early. Thinking of things that are breaking all the time. Oh! Fufu said he sold four seats and kept one, lol. Okay, so you have at least interacted on the platform. Yeah, so go check it out. I did joke with Art that they did launch around the same time as Scoop, and Scoop does have a lot of more sneaky, like sneaky but clever ways of boosting their casts. Huh? 

BArt-Head

Growth Hacks. 

BeavChris

Yeah, Growth Hacks, exactly built in. However, Lunch Break has a lot more sincere, useful functions beyond SocialFi. I think has more. 

BArt-Head

You mean Borodutch is more sincere. 

BeavChris

In a ironic sense. Yes. 

BArt-Head

In a really like double think way. 

BeavChris

Exactly.

BArt-Head

Interesting. 

BeavChris

Yeah. So yeah, go check it out if it's something that you would like. I think in the long run, lunch break has a lot of potential. 

BArt-Head

I'm sorry we spoke, spent a lot of time on angst. Do you want to spend some time on trading wisdom? 

BeavChris

Oh is it wisdom? I'm not sure. So that's why I want to run it by you. So in reply, I asked a question reply guys like about a week or so ago, just inquiring people's mindsets when they are investing or trading essentially is like, what do you think are the keys to good decision making, upon reflection.

And there were like five characteristics that I thought were easy to address, except for sorry, four characteristics that are easy to address in terms of like general good spirituality principles, and one is a bit more tricky. And the reason why I've been reflecting on this is related to our angst, actually.

Because I've been reflecting on how much time I spent on here, and is it actually adhering to my own deepest intentions? And as I started off with a lot more of a Buddhist chaplain sort of stance, and I have degenerated to this level. 

BArt-Head

I take partial credit. 

BeavChris

Exactly. And it's because, I also enjoy having fun and I see that that is the way in order to reach the most people on this platform. However, I also see that it's starting to become repetitive, right? It's either some coin that is doing some sort of tipping mechanism, or people going, we are so early or some kind of messaging. Art being grumpy, like it all gets really repetitive at some point. So I wanted to see what are the ways in which we can extract more wholesomeness of our activities here. So the five things are number one, like not being affected by market ups and downs. So some sort of equipoise to support long hodl.

Number two, sensitivity to like gut feeling. So like good trades like feel silly and fun. Like it's actually a Somatic sense and then like bad ones feel like you're like it's like I said NPC and someone else's narrative Which is also his somatic feeling. Like number three like not cancelling out your good traits with hubris bad trades. And then number four Not pricing things in ETH because the decimals make purchase seems cheap. Which is, I think, my problem with lunch break is when I see things in ETH, I don't remember how much it is in USD anymore.

And then the last one, I think, is the trickiest, which is the sensitivity to social trends and being at the right place at the right time. I think the first four are like general good principles that people can adhere to. Number five is the trickiest, right? Because In a way, why do I check Warpcast first thing in the morning?

It's because I'm like, oh, I might miss out on something that's important for me to know or a stupid airdrop or whatever. And however, I feel like that's been the most detrimental to my mental health. And spiritual health. So so I was trying to parse out like, what are the possible things, squeeze things I can squeeze out of like the whole like feeling FOMO sort of thing.

And it's think five, like to me like there was like In Lord of the Rings, I think is it Frodo who says like, when Gandalf asks, how are you feeling? It's I feel like butter spread over too much bread. Like that is the feeling I feel when I'm on his platform. I feel like really thinned out.

So that's something I want to move away from. However, I think the sensitivity to social trends, like the good components are like understanding that there is often a low status trade off. Like you might be on to something that makes no sense But that would make sense in the long run like Art's rants I think what i've always observed is that you would say something really controversial but then like After a few days people would say the same things in softer tones and then it'll become the meta and i'll be like, oh no, I criticize you for being too harsh too early because Then this is just trying to transgives.

So I think there is like something like that where you have to be okay with like You saying controversial things, which I think you do really well. And also,

BArt-Head

thank you for the compliment. 

BeavChris

And also like knowing admirable people. Like I think a lot of these social trends even being on Farcaster, right? It's people who are in the know, essentially. And I think that the hard part to parcel out is who is in the know that you actually would admire in the absence of everything that's going on here? Are they like, completely status chasing in a way that's really off putting, actually, if you really think about it, that kind of thing? So these are the things I'm struggling with. But the reason why I'm spouting off these five things is because I'm not a good trader. And I perceive you to be a good one. So would you say these are the characteristics to, to being a good trader, a good decision maker, or is it too generic? 

BArt-Head

I read the list. I thought they all carry very useful guides. Trading is really hard. It's really hard. It changes all the time, but it also never changes. It's a really difficult, challenging thing to do. It's easier to be lucky. Absolutely. It's way easier to be lucky. And then even when you're lucky, it's easy to fumble it. So there 

BeavChris

Is it through hubris? Is that how you fumble? 

BArt-Head

No yeah, you can fumble, but just by getting it wrong. That's a natural part of getting, it's getting wrong. Just like playing poker, sometimes you, you get a bad beat, and then things happen. So part of it is that's just the nature of things. I think the spiritual practice can definitely help. And there's another layer, I think, which is agency. 

So to first be aware that, you're feeling like butter over toast. And then knowing what to do about it. When I was a professional trader, like the most common thing the older traders would tell me, 

I didn't listen. The most common thing they would tell me. Go to bed early and work out. 

BeavChris

Wait, that's different from what I saw on the Wolf of Wall Street. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. All I wanted to do was go and drink and smoke and stay up late and party and and rely on my wits and whatever chemical assisted decision making, but the older guys are like, just go run on a treadmill, lift some heavy weights. And then your mind will go clear, which is, yeah, it's another layer. I know the only thing I wanted to do was go and drink, smoke, and party. That's all I wanted to do. That was my driving force. It's not easy advice to take. 

BeavChris

So like for every moment, so I think this came up in my weird like declarations and telegram chat with you of me going, we need to do more. I forgot what's the word I use. It was a very strong word, but it's, I sense that The key to enjoying or maybe like it has to do with a novelty driven brains like me is like I am actually starting to feel like tired on this platform because I see myself doing the same thing over and over again, right?

Like shit posting or whatever, or even like sincere posting is oh, it's reaching the same people over and over again. And I feel like the game is how do I make this more challenging and to do that I need to do more hard things that are not sexy and not even like that visible. Begging for sponsorships and then all those sort of things so so I think it's something like where Like I understand you're like complaining, but you're also building the new client etc. But I also feel like for me It's like this sense of like how can I actually follow these principles more and not get that dopamine hit I'm getting from seeing something new on Farcaster .

BArt-Head

The first thing is to identify it and to identify it properly. And then the, then you make a decision on how to how to respond. I think it's useful to express and it's also useful to express out loud. Right now in the U S there's a lot of talk about the election and how there is a maybe an emperor's new clothes situation. 

BeavChris

Oh, yeah. That was a really good article that Zoo posted. 

BArt-Head

There was an article that Zoo shared, which actually comes from Ben Hunt of Epsilon Theory. I, Epsilon Theory is super well written. I don't like it, but it is super well written. And Zoo also added like really good comments on it.

But the idea is everybody knew that our president was old and decrepit and getting worse. But lots of people would enable it and kept on going with it until President Biden himself became, The boy who said, Hey, he's naked. Like he himself was the whistleblower, but once it becomes okay for people to identify the problem then maybe some solutions can be found, are able to be applied. 

Before the debate, I think the Democratic Party could not seriously consider alternatives. And even now it's a struggle, right? Because Obama's come out to support him and it's tough. It's not easy just to have, just to identify the problem. solutions are hard, but at some point it is useful to identify the problem. 

I think, I make my criticisms very, sometimes I try really hard to make them very sharp and other times I'm just like goofing around like it doesn't matter so I can throw shit and, tee hee with my friends, but sometimes I try really hard. I do get the pushback.

BeavChris

You're an older relative. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, but I do get the pushback and I do feel it of people saying like you're not constructive. That's not, Useful, but, maybe it opens up space for the softer criticisms to land. Or maybe it didn't matter. It could be that it didn't matter at all.

It was just a stupid thing that made people feel bad. And that's not good. 

BeavChris

Yeah I'm somewhat annoyed because I thought starting like with this in the beginning of the stream that I was going to move you by one delta, but I think as usual the opposite happened where I'm like, God dang it, he has a point. 

BArt-Head

I hope everybody who's watching feels exactly 100 percent the same way. 

BeavChris

Yeah, sure. 

BArt-Head

Join us to watch Christin move by one delta. 

BeavChris

Exactly. 

BArt-Head

And look at my smug face enjoying it. 

BeavChris

Exactly. Alright, thank you everyone for listening. I think we're going to end the show here.

BArt-Head

Yes. Thank you for listening. Wow. Thank you for listening. 

BeavChris

We will actually continue this conversation, I think, in our group chat. If you are not already as part of our group chat, please ask me or Art for an invite where you will get exclusive on the fly made memes and debates. 

BArt-Head

Let's say shitty memes. 

BeavChris

Exactly. Exactly. And further heart to heart discussions on what we are doing with our lives, spending time on this platform. All right. 

BArt-Head

Take care, everybody. 

BeavChris

Okay. All right. Thank you so much for joining our chat. We'll see you in our group chat. Take care. 

BArt-Head

Cheers. Bye bye.

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