Azeem Ali on Iridology, the Electric Body, Rhythm as Health, Crystallization of Trauma, & much more!

This week we are joined by Azeem Ali. We started off with a beautiful description of Health as Rhythm, taking a Steiner's approach to its description. We clarified the differences between rhythm and rigidity in structuring one's day. Rhythm being a flow of life, flexibility, fluidity.

We moved into talking about resistance, conflicts, and traumas, and how these events can physically crystallize in the body. Emphasizing the importance of the ever-present now. This circled into a discussion on the electrical aspect of the body, leading to discussions of the pineal gland, piezoelectricity, and the fallacies of the mechanical construct. Of course, we touched on the detrimental components of electromagnetic frequencies and telecommunication systems.

We shifted the conversation to that of the eyes. We talked about Azeem's wealth of knowledge on iridology. We began with a little history of iridology. We then connected it to energy, emotions, crystallizations, the mental plane, etc. We also touched on the notion of the eyes being the microcosm of the body, a great indicator of disease, and how the eyes tell the story!

We finished with a very interesting tangent on vision coming from the inside out, not the outside in.

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Liev Dalton

Azeem, thank you so much for coming on today.

Azeem Ali

Thank you very much Liev, I'm delighted to be on and I'm sure we're going to have a very good conversation here today.

Liev

Yeah, I agree. Okay so I start discussion off with asking the question, what is Health? What does it mean to you? How does it manifest? What does it look like? you can get as concrete or as philosophical as you'd like. It always gives us a good foundation to build off so what is health?

Azeem

That's a really good question and often one of those questions that you don't typically reflect on too much throughout your day, but you work towards it effortlessly to achieve it. To me the understanding of health that stood out to me in my research and reading different authors and books and things like that was Rudolph Steiner's sort of version of health which was all based on rhythm and the rhythmical nature of man. When we align ourselves to the rhythm of not just ourselves, but to the cosmos, to the macro to the micro of this of this reality we can achieve extraordinary benefits by doing that.

Oftentimes what you'll see is when we come out of rhythm, out of our natural rhythm and flow, we start to embody more of a disease type condition of the body. Things don't seem to flow that well. All the elements the world, the cosmos, down to the microbes in the soil, they all have their own rhythm, and we love that rhythm, we tune into that rhythm every single day. Vision is rhythmical, these huge rhythms of day and night, of the beaches, of the waves, of the ocean, these again represent that rhythmical nature in which our bodies also possess that rhythm as well. We have a circadian rhythm in which our organs are attuned to our biological clock which is attuned to the stars, and the cosmos, and the day and night cycles, and it's when we start to come out of rhythm when things start to interrupt the flow of energy in the body, where we start to experience these bouts of illness and disease.

Oftentimes if you compare a person who is embodies health and somebody who doesn't embody health who looks quite sickly and ill. Oftentimes what you'll find is the person with health has rhythm in their life. They acknowledge rhythm they're attuned to rhythm, and you'll see it throughout their lifestyle throughout their days. What they get up to throughout their biology. What their biology gets up to you know. And the ones that are not so well off and not so healthy, they're often discombobulated in many things that there's no flow to their lives. It's that ultimate saying of stagnation is the true cause of disease. When things are still, when things do not move, that's ultimately what creates this condition, of this ease of detriment of destruction. Because everything is rhythmical and when that rhythm stops then we lose that life force.

And so as an example, which is also a little bit of a tangent but something that's resonating with me at the moment because I'm going through my own sort of journey at this moment in time to restore my vision naturally and I've not been wearing my glasses for just over a month and I'm learning so much about not just my own nature of vision and eyes but in general. How we see and perceive the world and vision is very much rhythmical. Our eyes are always moving. When the sun is strong and there's clear light, our eyes do well. When the sun goes down and its a cloudy and dark day, our eyes don't do well. We're attuned to the rhythms of nature. But because one of the principles of good vision is movement, we know if I tell somebody to stare to stare at a wall for 5 minutes you are really destroying your eyes. It's this stagnation this lack of movement of vision which disrupts the rhythmical flow of your eyes and is what creates vision problems.

And so, when you learn how to master the eyes and learn correct vision principles and habits, you can restore your vision. So, it’s this understanding of, everything's rhythmically based, and we put ourselves back in alignment with that rhythm we can achieve extraordinary bouts in our health.

Liev

Very well put. I really enjoy the perspective you take. This sort of as above so below principle throughout. You can relate the stagnation to all disease, and you could relate it to the stagnation of waters. When the waters become stagnant. You see that there's buildup. When I'm thinking back to my discussion with the Bigelsen Brothers, there can be a factor, a scar that's causing that buildup as well. Which I think is something interesting to investigate whether it be traumatic or physical. You know, not that not necessarily that the traumatic events don't create a physical response in the body I think they certainly do. But I just I love this idea of stagnation. It's something that the osteopaths talk about a lot which is why I'm a big fan of osteopathy and I really appreciate their perspective on health and wellness.

I love this sort of rhythm state that you're talking about, and I think it shouldn't be confused for this sort of rigid state either like it doesn't mean having this set habits throughout your day that you must do. You must wake up and do this and you have your morning routine that's 2 hours long biohacking or whatever it is. There's a certain point where it becomes more stressful and detrimental to hold yourself to these rigid conditions but being in tune with the swings of life, I feel like is more what you're alluding to here.

Azeem

Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what it is. You know when we look at trees in the distance and we see them flow with the wind. They're going back and forth. They're attuned to the rhythm of the world, right? they're free flowing. I'm big in this, understanding of resistances because if we're talking about rhythm we must talk about the rhythm of our own life, of our own making. Our lives are always in rhythm they're always flowing but it's when we resist certain rhythms. Resistance is what can create disease on all levels, physical, emotional, spiritual, psychological because if we if we're supposed to flow with the ever present now which is what Dr. John Whitman-ray would call the present moment the ever present now.

When we resist that moment is when we create what you're talking about, this stagnation, this scarring within the body. Because we're not okay with the way the life is, with what life is presenting to you. We're not okay with it. We want it to change. We want it to move. We want something different. And in this in this instance in where we have denied our own rhythm, we create this scarring in our body. What I mean by health is that the person who is healthy doesn't have these rigid days. They wake up at 8 am they do this, 9 am they do this. You know it's this rigid pattern which is often very stressful and it's not how nature intended us to live our lives.

Rather they are attuned to the rhythms of nature and the world, right? These people are creative. They express their creativity. They have a fine love for music, sounds and vibration which are all rhythm. They see rhythm when they look at the world, so being attuned to rhythm is not the same as having a rigid day-to-day life. It's more of that aspect of what you're talking about, it's being attuned and being able to comprehend rhythm in all levels and apply that to your own life.

Liev

Yeah, I can relate to that because I am a very structured person by nature, I feel like I tend towards this sort of daily structure and if I set a plan and that plan doesn't unfold as I think it should when there's this introduction of chaos. It's something that I struggle with. And so actually learning to implement a structure into my life that is not rigid was important for me because I do believe some people tend towards a structured way, but I don't think it needs to be rigid, because life is chaotic, things come up all the time you have to learn to move when the wind blows you in the right direction. The tree knows to move right? It’s not something that they have to think about.

And if we're talking about Steiner, bodies like animals or even the plant bodies. They don't have this ego, this consciousness where they need to think about what they're doing. They are. That is the ever present now. As humans we have this this beautiful mind which can be used absolutely for amazing things. But you can get lost so easily and you can get stuck in the past or you can get stuck even thinking about the future. And we see these manifest as what we call anxiety and depression. You know and maybe there is a necessity of going back and healing and creating safety within your past if it was traumatic in a way. But it all happens in the now at the same time.

If you're going to try and heal through something that has happened, you need to do it in the in the moment and you need to create that safety in the moment which I think is a sort of an interesting way of looking at it.

Azeem

Yeah, as I was as I was mentioning before this idea of resistances and how we how we always find ourselves in a position, especially if we're not trained in these principles of discernment to always negate our experiences of life. The rhythm of life, we negate it. We condemn it. We deny it. We don't want it to be that way. What we're getting into is the essence of how 2 people can be in the same exact situation but have completely different experiences. When we when we deny our experience, when we oppose it, when we go through a period of chaos, a period of trauma, a period of pain, sad moments. And we don't want it to be this way, we avoid it.

In German New Medicine we talk about these conflicts and how that translates into the biology. It's the same process when we resist the forces, the flow of life, we create crystals and calcifications in our body. When we deny a trauma and deny the experience of trauma although that may be necessary in that moment in time for you to function and to be alive and to move forward. When we don't process all that comes with that experience, it often gets buried in our body and we can see that as calcifications and crystallizations that form in the body. They form up and down the spine, they form within the bowels, they form in different organs, tissues, and glands. They block nerve flow, they block cerebrospinal fluid, and they can really hinder our cells, our biology.

When we're talking about resistances. This is what Dr John Whitman-ray, his whole understanding of body electronics is amazing. I'd say he is a sort of online mentor of mine. He talks about when we create these resistances, and we deny the ever present now. We don't want to process the ever-present now. It's too hard. It's too difficult for us. We create these crystallizations within our body. What those crystals hold are those exact experiences when we go through life, we have every creative act in our life as a thought, it has a memory and it has an emotion, it has a word pattern. These are the auditory things you would say in that experience.

 And so encoded in these crystals that block the flow of energy within the body are the memory, the word patterns, and the emotions and that's why healing and what you're talking about is we must experience things in the now in order to heal that crystallization. We got to dissolve that crystal and re-experience those situations in which we've denied, and we've got to let that flow into us and process it properly. It shows that even the simplest act of not being present can hinder us on so many different levels. And so, practicing daily ways in which you can attune yourself to the rhythm of life. It's all rhythmical. It's all flowing if you can attune yourself to that and learn the skills of not denying your experiences in life. I love a quote that Dr. John Whitman Ray mentions which is declare to yourself that you will wake up and lovingly and willingly endure all things no matter what situation you're in no matter the circumstances that you find yourself and declared to yourself that you will lovingly and willingly endure it. This is one of the ways in which you can prevent yourself from opposing your experiences and creating that crystallization and that resistance of that experience.

Liev

Beautiful. Yeah, I Love that. Thank you for bringing that up. I enjoy the perspective you take on how these patterns get crystallized in the body and how it creates the stagnation as well.

Can we approach it from processing it cognitively maybe or in the present through the mind is there a physical component to breaking these down through maybe movement or body work or things like that. what are your thoughts on that?

Azeem

There are a lot of components to it. It's not one is a dominant one. With your health or whatever healing journey you're on, you're approaching it on all the levels because oftentimes what has occurred in the physical body, has already manifested itself in the spiritual bodies, in the in the mental bodies, and the emotional bodies. They were already present there and that sort of dent within the Auric field has manifested itself eventually in the physical body and so to heal what that physical manifestation is of an emotional or traumatic problem, spiritual problem. You've got to heal it on all levels. When we're talking about dissolving these crystals, this can be done through the act of…

This is where it gets a little bit tricky because John Whitman Ray who I really recommend you look into, he formed a modality called body electronics. In body electronics they use sustained acupressure. What sustained acupressure means is essentially you hold these points within the body, oftentimes meridian points. But these could also be points in which you see the physical crystallization manifest. Which if you analyze people's backs, we have crystals all around our spine and we can find them very easily. Through holding these points, you can in essence through long periods of time, whilst holding these points, it's called point holding you can actually dissolve the crystals and as these crystals dissolve what tends to happen is the person starts to re-experience. They start to get access to the mental levels in which those resistances are held.

So, when you're holding these points on these people and there's burning and searing pain at the point, he says pain is the capstone to memory. So, when we experience pain it opens our spiritual aperture, opens our aperture of our pineal. It opens the aperture of our senses and we're able to get into the memories and the word patterns and the emotions that we initially resisted. And it gives us an opportunity to re-experience the event. A lot of the times when people, not just with point holding and what John Whitman Ray does in many cases, of simply meditating, of acupuncture, of cranial sacral therapy, of reiki, all these different modalities oftentimes when they're done correctly can elicit old feelings, old memories, old word patterns that at one moment where you felt like screaming you know, get off me, get off me, get off me. This is a word pattern.

When we suppress this in our body, oftentimes through these modalities years later when we're doing this somewhere. We're on our healing journey these thoughts, these word patterns, these emotions, and the memories can be unlocked. A lot of people experience when they heal the body, they start to gain memory about things that have happened to them that they simply buried for many years of their lives. So, it's this idea of that you're dissolving the crystallization of the body which releases these word patterns, the emotion patterns and the thought patterns, and the memory. And it allows you to re-experience that.

And ultimately there's an alchemical process of when you re-experience these things. There's an alchemical process that you must do to alchemize and transmute all of that and show yourself a love. Love is the ultimate healer, and you love that experience, and you don't deny it anymore and oftentimes when people experience these things [is during rebirthing]. It's the same sort of process of you re-experiencing these emotions. You re-experience what you've gone through in the past and through re-experiencing it with the right principles of a letting that flow through you and processing it. You can ultimately start healing on such a deep level and on all levels as well.

Liev

Yeah, very well put and I think the body being this electrical being is important. We are electrical before we are biological before we're chemical. Which when you really think about it seems so obvious because even if you're in university and you study in chemistry, you have one look at a chemical physics textbook you'll see that. So, everything that you talk about in chemistry is literally just electricity whether it's valuable or true, doesn't Matter, it's still electrical. That's one of the reasons why I think if we are going to study biology that we do it from the Quantum level. Which is why I quite enjoy the discussions of Quantum biology and the electrical component of things.

I think within this allowing the physical body to flow electrically, well that that could be a whole discussion itself, but getting the feet in the ground to detox excess electricity in the body or you know aligning ourselves with proper light cycles because that's electricity in a way. Not having these LED lights beaming at us and having full spectrum light like the sun and candlelight at night. There are so many ways to approach the electricity.

Obviously, we could talk about non-native EMFs. Definitely acting as a catalyst in my mind if anything. EMFs are a true catalyst for disease. And at the end of the day, I will say that I think you can get to this point where it all cannot affect you. You can get to a point where if you're so mentally well and you're so attuned to the rhythms of life like you're pointing out here.  If there's no stagnation, if there's no scarring, if there's no crystals, if there's no blockages in the body. The body will just flow. You know the body is designed to flow. It's designed to have these infractions, to be able to deal with them and move them out of the body. That is what the body is designed to do, excretion. It's fundamental but aligning it energetically I think is an important point that maybe we could talk about a little more here. You know the body as an electric being.

Azeem

Yeah, it's that's exactly the basis of it all. I mean simply look at our fascia. We are essentially a crystal. We are a crystallized being. If you look at the evolution of the world and how we of ourselves have been morphed into the form, the physical form that we have, we are electrical in nature. If you were to rub the fascia, essentially, you're going to create piezoelectricity. This form of electricity that is super conductive but also extremely useful for the body to harness that and use that to heal itself. The pineal gland contains, not many people know this, but it's called brain sand. The pineal contains crystals within it. These crystals are oscillating and James True talks about this. A great Youtuber he talks about how when the heart beats, I won't say pumps, but when it beats and there is this vortexing of the heart and it beats. Every time it beats, it pressurizes the pineal. It squeezes the pineal and it squeezes its crystals which oscillates which allows the crystals to oscillate producing piezoelectricity.

Oftentimes our pineal is seen as the third eye but when you look back, it is our first eye. It's interesting, I know we're going off a little bit of a tangent here. But I think it's interesting because I came across this today. When you look at old pictures of the way people depicted alchemically the human form, there's strange pictures and depictions out there. One of the depictions that've often come up in these old paintings and old drawings are the cyclops, the cyclone, this this one-eyed human. And I believe that in our earlier days of this morphology, we were spiritual beings to begin with. We had an etheric body, that was our body and as the human birthed and as the humans condensed into matter. The eye that we consumed, the eye that we saw through, was the one eye was the pineal.

It was the eye that was able to detect etheric energy, the energies but of electricity, of vibration and as we've slowly morphed into the human form. That eye has sunk in and now it's a part of our brain and it sits between the left and right hemispheres of the brain but it's still oscillating. This is the eye that sees the electricity, that sees the vibrations of life, just to reaffirm that we are a conductive body. We work electrically, the water within our body, as I've been learning a lot from Dr. Thomas Cowan who's talking a lot about water and how that works within the body and in the nerve cells. That water, the EZ water which is the fourth phase of water that creates that difference within charges, within the nerve cells, which allows that electricity to pass through our nerves.

 These are the elements of the human body that we're made up of so of course when we're talking about how do these non-native EMFs, how does the external world affect us? I think if we are not observing our body if we're not in tune with our body if we're not practicing the right principles to elevate our health. We can be hindered by these frequencies by this electricity that are not in tune with our body. And it can mess with our pineal. It can mess with our essence.

If you're having a lot of, it's nighttime and you're spending lots of time on your phones and devices and you got this blue light hitting you that's going to affect your Circadian rhythm that's going to affect the way your pineal can detect the day and night cycles because that's what it's essentially doing. Your pineal gland is your is your eternal clock. It's monitoring constantly the cycles of the Earth, the cosmos, the day, and night cycles. These frequencies that we are being bombarded with now, having no awareness can alter the way our penial functions, can alter the way our fascia functions.

When the fascia gets tight, when it gets stuck, stagnation, that electricity cannot flow. When the electricity cannot flow the life force can't flow and then we have the deterioration of health. Lymphatically speaking as well, if you get into the works of Samuel C. West who talks about how the lymphatic system works with the blood and if there's too many blood protein proteins entering the interstitial spaces, the spaces that sit around the cells, if too many enter at one point, it's going to disrupt the delicate balance of sodium and potassium which is what creates our electrical nature of our cells. Which is what creates that sort of electricity in the body. And if we disrupt that and if the lymphatic system can't get to those proteins and get rid of all the toxins in those interstitial spaces, we've got a destruction of the electricity of the cell and we've got the degradation of the cell. So. It's all revolving about how we keep this electrical nature alive and working optimally in our body.

Liev

Yeah, amazing. One of the problems is this materialist construct that we have. It leaves no room, for some reason, it leaves no room for this energy, this electrical component. You mentioned Dr Tom Cowan, and Dr Gerald pollack is doing some amazing work with this fourth phase of water that explains I believe the true function of these biological phenomenon like the heart is not a pump as you mentioned there, that the nerves aren't this mechanical ion exchange conductive wires. It's much larger than that and I was reminded too of the hearing, the mechanical theory of hearing doesn't align with the mathematical [models] either. There is this piezoelectric component to it where it's crystals. At least this theory aligns more with mathematical observations and models that were put forth.

I think backing away from this materialistic construct is really important and of course we talk a lot about microbiology here and you mentioned that when the when there's this deep-set stagnation that the Immune system or the proteins can't get to in the body. It's interesting to me because the microbes might be able to get there, like parasites.

They talk a lot about how the Immune system can't attack these microorganisms because they're hiding deeper, where the Immune system can't go. I think well that's their purpose to go where the ‘Immune system’ can't go. Obviously, I'm using these terms as they're talked about in the modern way. Not necessarily that we have an Immune system that attacks foreign invaders because we know that this is all generated within our bodies. But I like this idea, the connection of the nervous system to the microbiome that we were talking about with Emrys Goldsworthy a couple weeks ago. I'm sure there's a true energetic component to this as well, to our microbiomes, to this connection that they have in our body and in healing.

Because another thing that's talked about a lot is how EMFs upregulate parasites in the body. This is even what the literature points to, what the modern practitioners point to, or the modern alternative healthcare practitioners, I guess, are talking about how parasites are a root cause of disease. They'll say emfs have a big thing to do with it. Well, I'm like I'm sure that it does, but it means that the EMF is more of the root cause than the parasite. Parasites aren’t the root cause of any disease.

Azeem

I didn't catch everything you were saying, but it was along the lines of how the allopathic medicine's way of viewing things is often, when they see something they often jump to conclusions too quickly and these conclusions often fit their own narratives and their own ways in which they want to profit ultimately off of something whether it be medication whether it be the way we're living. Or a state of health they want us to be in. But it's that concept of EMFs being a huge problem. If we look at the introduction of these telecommunication pathways throughout the years every time they've upregulated these telecommunication pathways, every time they've installed new systems, it just so happens that humanity starts to get sicker and suddenly, they're blaming this… And you see this time and time again, they're blaming another cause. This caused this, there's another virus, when they’re not paying attention because ultimately it doesn't serve them to investigate how EMFs are affecting our body on a cellular level.

And these other things that are the intermediary or bioremediations of the body. We're talking about the microbes and the parasites and all those things. These are our helpers, and this is where I always look at it and how it's so backwards. It's like these guys are here to help us and you're not seeing this. You're not seeing that our body has this innate intelligence to get to the places that other things can't to. To allow our bodies to deal and to live and to function in such a toxic environment. And we're blaming them [microbes] and we're not looking at the roots of these things.

And this EMF, this telecommunication stuff is so important which is why over the last 7 years we've seen an increase in the amount of EMF awareness. But before that it was extremely difficult. I remember being on social media like seven years ago just being on there and time and time again how much information about people exposing the dangers to these EMF frequencies that are coming from our 5G cell towers and all these things. And it was constantly getting buried and censored because they don't want that to affect their profits, and how they want to drive ultimately, society economically. So, it's all you know it can be quite frustrating when you look at it at that point. But at the same time, we've just got to as people get to the truth of how our bodies actually work, because the more we can get to the truth about how our bodies actually work, the first step to doing that is questioning, deeply inquiring into the nature of the body and once we understand that we can start applying the right principles to the body to not only protect ourselves but to elevate our health and that's on all levels electrically, biologically, chemically.

Liev

Great. On the EMF talk and the heart, understanding that the heart may not be this mechanical pump that we're talking about. You know it's no wonder that the invisible rainbow, fantastic book by Arthur Firstenberg, makes the connection that since electricity's been rolled out, we've seen increases in heart related illnesses. Heart related illnesses are a very new phenomenon relatively speaking and I think he makes a beautiful connection there. To truly understand the connection. You must get away from this mechanical view of our bodies of the way that everything works, the way that nature works. You know we're so mechanical in our thinking and I think in a way that's causing us a lot of stagnation in the health fields especially. Generally, as well in the science I suppose.

We're so enticed by these technological advancements and these mechanical advancements because they are amazing. We're connecting on them right now using these technologies and the funny thing is I think that if it was ever admitted that these cell communication towers and the electricity is truly causing illness, I don't think that it would hurt their profits that much. Because I don't think that too many people would stop using their cell phones, they’re so addicted to it now that it would honestly just bring people more health. You know because even just shutting your wi-fi off at night, or airplane mode, or keeping everything  away from you, like all the technologies away from your body even just a little bit of distance, or whether we build our homes in a different way to sort of help with this these non-native electromagnetic frequencies, or admit that grounding can help mitigate these effects as well.

We're big on responsibility here. We don't want to blame anything for our illnesses. We take full responsibility and that's a part of it though. But part of it is understanding as well. You need to understand how it's working you need to understand what you can do about it because if you're going to use these technologies you should be sure to be mitigating the effects as well. Like I use technology all the time, I connect with the world through it. I'm probably sounding a little bit like a hypocrite, but I'm trying to be honest too here and say there are practices that I do to try and to avoid this as Well. I think that's an important message and I just wanted to share that.

I wanted to have a discussion on iridology because I know you're big into this and it's a topic that is so unbelievably fascinating. The eyes are gates to the soul or there are so many sayings about the eyes in general. I think they tell a great story and I'm sure we can segue it by relating it to what we've been discussing. What can you see in the eyes? What really is iridology? I'll open the floor there for you now and let you go.

Azeem

Yeah, yeah, it ties in nicely to how we understand the body. Because iridology is one of those tools, one of those primal tools that we always have with us. That helps us understand our body. You know a lot of people can agree with the idea that our palm, we have palming, and we have reflexes from the palms and the feet, reflexology, that relate to the different organs. Our teeth are related to different organs, our ears, our face. And yet our eyes are the most complex organ in the entire body. They're not widely understood, but they're extremely complex which would mean that it would show much more complexity in the body. And that is what they do.

The eyes are connected to the rest of our body through the optic nerves, through the central nervous system, the autonomic nervous system, the limbic system, and they are connected to the different tissues organs and glands within the body. And often what happens is when there are tissue changes within the body, when there's something that's happening with the adrenals, when there's something that's happening with the colon. These signals are translated in real time to the eyes. And the eyes can pick up these subtle changes that are happening with the tissue and if you know how to read the eyes, you know what is happening with the different tissues, organs, and glands in your body.

This was first discovered, I mean if you look back through thousands of years we've always been perplexed and we've always tried to understand the eye. Look at the ancient Egyptians, look at China, look at the eastern traditions and philosophy. There are always depictions and talks about what is the eye so we’ve always as humans have been fascinated and knew there is something symbolic with the eyes.

The first sort of iridology or the first relation between the eyes being reflexed to the rest of the body. The first time that came about was around the mid 1600s, it was a long time ago. Iridology as a formal study came about around 1860. I think it was his name was Dr. Ignatz von Peczely. He was a [Hungarian] doctor and as a child what ended up happening… was the story goes is an owl was trapped in his back garden and he went to try, as an eleven-year-old child, tried to rescue it. In trying to rescue the owl he accidentally broke the owl's leg. What he found as he was nurturing the owl and trying to bring the owl back to good health, to let him go, was he found as he broke the leg, there was a black sort of line within the owl, a scarring line within the owl's eye, and as he was nurturing the owl, as he was bringing the leg back to good health, he noticed that line had gained these white fibers. It had lightened and it changed. This was his first introduction and incuriosity into the eyes years later as he became a doctor, he always remembered this moment and began his studies into the eye and he created what would be the first, in the 1860s I believe, the first formal study of iridology as he mapped out all the reflex zones from the eyes and the body.

It goes back a long way and iridology is still a study that a lot of people are figuring more about. It's relatively, the formality of it and the ability to practice, is relatively new and it's being understood day by day but it's fascinating. So, we have these tissues in our body that are constantly changing through toxemia, through stress, through trauma and these signs and these tissue changes are being relayed into the eyes and so the eyes can show us the integrity of our cells within our adrenal glands, within our thyroid, within our bowels. It can show us where toxicity possibly is spreading from our bowels to the rest of our body. It can show us our personality traits based on what is happening physiologically. It can show us so many wonderful things, that if you can read the eyes truly, it becomes one of these most profound tools to understand what is really happening in your body.

There are a few reasons for that. One, it's relatively inexpensive. Two, it's not invasive, so all you need is a good quality picture of the eye. I mean unless you have some sort of condition in which bright lights or having something flashed in your eyes is quite detrimental to you. It's relatively safe for most people. The third thing is, it's a whole-body picture of what's happening. Your eyes will never lie. Your eyes are showing you exactly what is there. And if somebody is skilled in iridology, you can tell you what is happening in your body and it gives a full body picture and there's not many modalities that are actually showing you what is happening from the head to the toe, all the organs and glands, systems responsible for what is happening with your health. There's no other modality that shows that. It's absolutely wonderful and beautiful.

The fourth is that it can be understood at a relatively decent level by most people like you do not need a specialist to sort of go through all the results and tell you this is, what you've got. It's like no, you can read this yourself, right? like the terminology doesn't have to be elaborate or anything and it's just simply relaying what we see in the eyes and what that tells us about your body and you can read that, and you can see that and it’s wonderful in that manner. That it gives you that reliance on yourself or you're not handing out your authority to anybody else which is beautiful.

There are multiple ways to use it and I'm still in my journey of understanding how I can use that authentically and masterfully. At the end of the day, I want to make sure I'm giving my best with it, so I use that at this moment to understand what is happening to the body where we're understanding what organs and glands need working. What inherent or what genetic weaknesses that we might see within your eyes and how we can work on those inherent weaknesses to pick up the body and bring you back to good rhythm and good health. So, I use iridology as a tool to discover and I help my clients with detox stuff. But that's such a small way of looking at it.

I'm looking at how we can use iridology for other more profound things. There is something called Tibetan pulsing I learned about this I was at a week sort of intensive doing some training there. There was a woman who told me about she did this Tibetan pulsing thing, and I was like what is this and again it was this sort of sustained acupressure thing that they used to do in in Tibet. But to find those acupressure points they would look into the person's eyes. The eyes would tell you where your energy flows in the body are weak and I'm curious to understand that Tibetan iridology understanding because again, there's so many schools of iridology that have sort different thoughts. There is the general basis that is understood and clinical practice by all schools. But again, some talk more about the emotional components that you can see in the eyes, where you're holding anger, resentment, sadness, grief in different parts of your body. And again, if you can use the eyes to understand where energy flows are lacking. That's an amazing tool to regenerate the body. If we're talking about the electricity of the body, it's an amazing tool to understand how we can upregulate that. So, that's essentially what iridology is and it's a beautiful science.

Liev

That a very useful tool, one that can't be taken away. You don't need any intricate machinery or whatever. Like you said, you mentioned some great benefits of it there.

Within the eyes, you were alluding to this obviously with the Tibetan perspective that you can see these patterns where the energy isn't flowing. Can you see emotions in the eyes? Can you see these mental phenomena? I suppose maybe through the energetical components. Is that something that that's talked about a little bit in iridology?

Azeem

Yeah, so usually with a lot of the Iris signs that you see there is always a psychological element that comes with that. Depending on how iridology is, it's not this sort of black and white thing that you see this, and this is what is happening. It's more of you must become a master of how you formulate your understanding of that particular eye. And you know different signs in different locations. You know if those signs are apparent, they may represent something else if they were in different locations. So, it's like you must paint this whole picture of the body to really understand what's going on.

But for an example, we have the collarette border which is, we have the pupil and then we have this collarette, this indentation that goes around the pupil and this represents, in iridology, the colon and the bowels. We have 2 distinct types of the collarette. I mean there’s quite a few distinctions with the collarette. It represents the autonomic nervous system and the bowels. We have sometimes two classes of distended collarette where the collarette boarder comes out like this… It's very open and then we have a constricted collarette. Where the collarette border lies closer to the pupil. These two different signs can represent a psychological behavior within that person. A constricted collarette may represent somebody who holds their emotions in maybe holds in anger and holds in grief within the bowels. A distended collarette is maybe somebody who is a little bit more extroverted. They're a little bit more outgoing. They're a bit more of a people's person. These things can tell us about our behavior. A collapsed collarette may tell us something of a collapsed sort of transverse colon, may tell us something about our relationship with our father or mother, something that may have caused resentment to our father or mother.

And so, all these signs when you look at them, they do have a psychological correlation. Of course, it's debated amongst different schools what these signs mean. I know in David Pesek, in his school of iridology, the holistic iridology. He talks a lot about the emotional aspect. He talks about what emotions are buried within different tissues and organs depending on the signs we see in the eyes, which gives us a good indication of the psychological work we have to do with ourselves to let go and release these emotions.

But what I was talking with body electronics, back at the beginning of this this podcast was when we're talking about the crystals within the body oftentimes, we can see we can formulate where those crystals are based on the eyes right. We see lacunas or lesions within the lower back, which the eyes can show us. Which if we then go to the lower back, we might see this sort of crystallized lump within the lower back. Maybe this person had a bad car accident which sometimes it can show structural issues. And the eyes can show that and what we're seeing now is this crystallization forming in the back and it gives us an indication of where we must hold those points, where we must dissolve those crystals, and within those crystals as we discussed were the emotions, memories and word patterns which come forth. So, iridology when you understand it can be used for so many different modalities. It's so powerful in that aspect, in that regard.

Liev

So cool and you can see the healing in it too. You use it almost as a measure of if what you're doing is working as well. Which I think is kind of cool, like that story with the owl is very interesting. But you see it all the time, you see these iris transformations of somebody before they started focusing on their health. You know they have very dark eyes. Something Aajonous talks about as well. Very dark eyes being an indication of disease and then they lighten up as you sort of heal the body, detox, and build it up strong. So, I think that's really interesting.

It's hard to deny the truth to the field because it's very visible. It's like you mentioned, it's not like you can have this rigid structure of how you can approach it. You need to attune yourself with the rhythms of the eyes themselves, the rhythm within the construct and within the integration of the individual. In the results generally you could see consistencies which I think is so interesting. It's a great tool to use even if it's not necessarily the primary healing modality, I guess, in a way it is!

Because what I find is that having an understanding, a knowledge and a philosophy behind health and healing and even within yourself. The self-observation, to be able to learn as much as you can about yourself, is the primary way to health because it all must come from within you, healing does come from within. There's only so much practitioners can do if the individual doesn't want to change.

I'll relate it back to healing the eyes, because I've been on a similar journey, and I've faced challenges. I've been trying to understand my eyes, trying to understand what the problem is, it can be challenging but you really need to understand what is going on before you can really do anything about it because the healing is going to be completely different for every individual. But learning these underlying principles allows you to choose the right modalities moving forward as well. For some people there are some things that work for others, there are other things that work. But you kind of get to the same results. The reason why I like iridology is because you can see it. You can get results using different methods.

Azeem

That's the thing with iridology. It's like I've used iridology on a client who was 23 years old on a pacemaker. Been going to the doctor since he was eleven years old, they couldn't tell him anything about what is going on with his heart, the influences why it's happening. They would say I don't know, we don't know, here’s drugs, here's a pacemaker. And then I did an iridology report and already had some sort of understandings of what possibly could show up in his eyes and some of those things were confirmed. We saw signs within the adrenal section, we saw signs within the thyroid, saw signs within the bowels, maybe bowels put pressure on the heart. And we share this information with him, and he was blown away. He was like I learned more from these, whatever he paid for the iridology report, in this amount of time than any doctors told me over the last 15 years of my life.

That's how powerful it can be. Because it shows you the truth, your eyes never lie. Ultimately, it's showing you the truth. It's showing you exactly what's happening inside your body. It's all the inner becoming the outer so being reflexed into your eye. But the amazing thing about iridology then is that once we've seen this, once we've seen the inherent weaknesses, once we've seen that these organs or glands are not working too well, that the bowel is backed up, and we might have indications or tendencies for intestinal insufficiency or things like this. Once we see these things. Now you have an actionable plan to work on right now. We can start considering what are the different modalities, what are the things that you must implement in your day, emotional work, energetic modalities, physical modalities, supplements, herbal programs.

What are the things that you can start to do that works on those exact weaknesses that your eyes are showing you. If you know exactly where these things are stemming from or potentially where they're stemming from it gives you the power to go ahead with your healing journey and that's what I always try to instill. At the very least I want iridology to give you the power and belief behind your own healing journey. To go ahead and start working on the root causes because that's exactly what it's showing you. It's showing you where the roots of your certain issues may be coming from. So, it's a beautiful modality in that aspect.

I'm learning so much about the eyes recently and coming across when you mentioned before how you know everything is internal. You know everything. And it's this concept of like every outer creative expression manifested first in the internal self. Everything. It goes from the yin to the yang. It goes Yin Yang and when you understand that literally everything is internal, it makes sense how your body will show, your eyes are literally like a Tv screen. They're an orchestra essentially of your insides and they're playing the notes, they're showing you the notes of what's happening inside of your body. Talking about that rhythm. They're showing you the notes of your organs, of your systems and if you can read those notes you can understand how to put that rhythm back in place. Not just iridology, but if we're talking about vision.

You know I'm coming across a lot of information talking about vision. Vision today is we tend to think of it as we have the material world, and our eyes are collecting that information through the light. The signals go back to the back of the head, the amygdala processes there. All that stuff and then we see the world.

But when you really question when you really inquire into that aspect some startling realizations start to occur where you start to understand, where you start to think maybe our eyes are not showing us the world outside. Maybe our eyes are, like I said, the orchestra and what is happening is we're perceiving the energetics of our world, and our brain is showing us what it wants us to see. So, it's backwards. We're not seeing the outside world and it's being processed and shown towards our brain. Our pineal is perceiving the energetics of the world, formulating that picture in the amygdala, and being shown, and broadcasted into the eyes. One of the things that as I was coming across a lot of this information, and James True again is someone I quoted before is an amazing channel to go ahead and look at how he talks about this first, because a lot of this is his research I don't want to step on any of that.

But it's profound because then if you think back to this concept of everything is yin. Everything is always internalized first before it can be manifested in the external world. That's how thoughts work, that's how vibration works. Then it would make sense that it's not the external world that's being shown towards it's like we're creating that world through what our pineal, what our first eye is perceiving.

 These crystals, this oscillation of the pineal that is showing us, that is perceiving and constantly picking up the vibrations of the world is communicating with our amygdala. It's called mother amygdala you know the amygdala is what is processing everything. All the vibrations that are coming in and it's communicating with your body. Your amygdala is saying to your body and to yourself ‘I'm going to show you this now’. This is a pretty powerful form of energy. Let me show you and it's broadcasted into the eyes.

If you look at the way the cones and rods are set up in the back of the eyes. It looks literally like an orchestra. The eyes, the cones and rods they're facing backwards as if they're picking up the information first from the brain, from the amygdala. It's such fascinating stuff, which gets into new understandings about how the eyes actually work and explains a lot about certain health conditions that we perceive today as bad things, like schizophrenia and Parkinson's and stuff like that. But yeah, going off on a little bit of a tangent, but the eyes you know they're just truly not fully understood, and it's such a fascinating area of research that I really encourage everybody to go down.

Liev

Yeah, and I mean to build on that tangent, this is something that's talked about, as above so below. But it's not even talked about in the same circles that you're talking about. It's talked about in as a man thinketh. Everything was a sustained thought before it was the reality. What we see out there is truly just a construct of our being at the same time. I think that's what you're hinting at there. So, this is a common among many fields. You know, it gives more value to the power of visualization.

And visualization when you read about it seems so woo woo nonsense but until you realize what it really is it won't do anything for you. If you think you're just going to sit around and visualize everything to happen. No, no, you need to align yourself with your desires. You need to be energetically what you want before you get it. And obviously there needs to be a certain amount of giving to receive and the balances of nature that maybe the alchemists talk about very well, this is a phenomenal way of explaining it.

You related the rods in the cones to an orchestra and how they're pointed in a different direction than you would think. You would think it would be wide to receive, that just makes good sense. There's certainly a reason why that goes the other way. So, I'm really glad you brought that up. I'm glad that you mentioned that fella's YouTube channel. Definitely going to be looking into that. That sounds amazing.

I mean this been a great chat. Maybe you could share any final thoughts that you have. Anything that you might have missed, or that you want to share.

Azeem

Yeah, just to sort of finish, to touch upon this this idea of, every creative expression, every creative act or manifestation has always originated in the inner first before the outer. And when you understand that our internal body is relaying constantly signs to our external body for it to be perceived and visualized all of this. Our body stores our memories and trauma like it's all in you, you are your authority, and you can be confident and comfortable that your body is doing exactly what it needs to.

And I think understanding that concept, if you're not afraid of responsibility, which is a huge point, but if you're not afraid of responsibility and being responsible for your health and the way you conduct yourself in this world, it gives you a means and it gives you a comfort in knowing that you have the authority over your body and you can work through all the things that you do not like about your life or that you want to be changed so that you know the goals that you want to set for yourself can be achieved. Because that is the ultimate realization, you are cause and effect of your reality. You're not just the effect you’re the cause.

A lot of people get scared of this because then they realize oh shit, I caused this demise of my life because I'm not happy, I'm married to the wrong person, I'm overweight, I don't like myself. But it's like no, okay after you get over those resistances of oh crap, I caused this, there's a sense of power, of awe, of joy, and of excitement, that it's actually within your power to maneuver and dictate the means of your life.

There are so many things I would love to speak to you about. And maybe we can save this for another episode regarding the crystals and how they work in terms of how they keep our resistances in constant state of a creation but that's a whole other topic. But yeah, I would say it's been a wonderful call. It's been a wonderful talk with you. We've touched on some amazing concepts, and this is one of the first times of me coming on these podcasts and coming on these shows. And speaking about these things. So, I really appreciate you giving me that opportunity to do that. It's been really wonderful.

Liev

No, the pleasures mine honestly, it has been amazing, and I'm really glad the direction that we took this today and it's definitely opened a lot of doors. So, it's necessary that we'll have to do this again, which is nice.

Liev

So maybe you could tell the listeners where to find you, how they can support you, how they can learn more from you.

Azeem

Yeah, definitely. So, I'm on pretty much all social media channels under the names at found consciousness some channels are at found conscious because some of them got deleted I've had to change and add the -ness at the end. So, I'm on Instagram. You can find me on Facebook although I don't post there too much. I'm on telegram. I'm on TikTok. I'm on YouTube. You can go to my website if you're interested in iridology consultations, detox support. It’s https://www.foundconsciousness.com/ and I have a free detox group with two and a half thousand members at this moment in time. It's completely free group where we get together. We form relationships. We talk about detox. If there's any questions that you have regarding your health your journey. What things you want to implement in your detox. You can go there. Wonderful helpful community. We have monthly calls where we do group discussions. So, you get free access to that. So, you can find me a lot in that group. That's mainly it.

Liev

Amazing! Well, thank you for coming on I really appreciate it.

Azeem

Thank you very much Liev.