Last Friday, we had the honor of hosting our investors Guy Wuollet, Meltem Demirors, Sal Danconia, Regan Bozman, Mike Zajko and Vance Spencer for a conversation on X about why they decided to back Daylight's ambitious project.
Here is the recording and the transcript:
0:22: Greetings, everyone, greetings everybody.
0:26: Welcome.
0:30: Hello.
0:34: So good to have you here.
0:35: We'll just get everyone up on stage DJ with the D Gens.
0:46: Exactly.
0:47: I had not heard of decentralized generation until you mentioned it today and I'm inviting you guys all to, to co-host as well.
1:02: You guys N V.
1:07: Hey, what's going in?
1:10: Hey, hey, sorry, I have a ton of background noise right now but hopefully won't happen to my.
1:20: It doesn't sound too bad.
1:22: Like are you at a bar?
1:23: What, what's happening?
1:25: Anything fun?
1:26: I am.
1:27: I'm staying.
1:28: I welcome.
1:31: All right.
1:32: It looks like you've got just about everything Reagan.
1:37: I've invited you to co-host and to speak and same with you, Mike.
1:43: And so yeah, and so nice to see such a large audience already one minute into our very first Twitter space as daylight energy.
2:04: There you guys are Reagan.
2:10: I battered you like three times of and there you are.
2:13: Excellent.
2:14: Ok, Sam, you wanna add guy and mahesh as well?
2:19: Cool.
2:19: Thanks for, thanks for having us.
2:23: Thanks for joining us.
2:26: Absolutely.
2:27: A pleasure.
2:28: So it looks like everyone's up on stage.
2:33: I think all systems are go.
2:35: So, we just wanna give a little bit of an introduction to what we're doing here this evening.
2:41: So, we are daylight energy and we have just announced our raise and here are some of our illustrious investors and we're going to have a discussion on what we're building, why they chose to invest.
3:00: And as Melton put it, you know, we're gonna d gen with the D gens, so I'll hand it over to our founder and your co-founder and CEO Jason Badu and he can take it from here.
3:15: Awesome.
3:16: Thank you, sir.
3:17: Yeah.
3:17: Thanks everyone for joining.
3:19: Can you all hear me?
3:20: We're good.
3:22: Yeah, perfect.
3:23: Cool.
3:24: Awesome.
3:25: Thanks everyone for joining Jason.
3:27: You ready to do that?
3:29: Yeah.
3:30: Can you not hear me, Sam?
3:31: I think else can hear me.
3:36: We can hear you.
3:37: Cool.
3:37: All right, everybody can hear me.
3:38: Awesome.
3:39: Well, yeah, thanks again, everyone for joining.
3:41: We're excited to be here, excited to have some of our amazing investors join us today.
3:46: Like I said earlier in my tweet, we're gonna flip the script and actually interview some of our investors about why they're excited about daylight, about energy, about deep end.
3:55: to that extent, just to give like a brief overview of what we're doing and and why we're doing it.
3:59: Daylight is building an unchained economy to incentivize reward and coordinate, distribute energy resources behind the meter.
4:07: As we look at the energy system, you know, we've pioneered across energy for decades, market solutions to market failures.
4:14: So renewable energy has reps to incentivize renewable energy growth and is responsible for mass and deployment of renewable energy over the last 220 years.
4:23: You know, in the eu specifically, we have cap and trade systems for carbon emissions, incentivizing reduction in carbon emissions.
4:29: We don't have anything equivalent in distributed energy and distributed energy uniquely has a market failure because it is very valuable in the aggregate in its ability to offset massive transmission expansion and its ability to coordinate together and provide balancing services.
4:46: But the individual decision for investment is made by the individual.
4:50: And so we have, you know, lower R O I S higher costs, very high pack and all these things that lead to a stunt in growth in distributed energy.
4:59: And so our thesis of daylight is by creating a market, a market solution for distributed energy.
5:05: We can really incentivize its growth and get it connected back to one standard protocol for energy and data and allow retailers, energy companies, utilities, power traders to come and interact with our protocol for energy data and energy capacity from these distributed energy devices.
5:22: So that's what we're doing, that's what we're up to.
5:25: But I would like to invite some of our investors to speak and tell us what they're excited about.
5:30: So to that end, Melton, let's start with you.
5:33: You are, you are our earliest check check and first believer all back in 2022.
5:38: And since then, you've been an outspoken champion for energy and Adams focused start ups.
5:43: Can you walk us through a bit about your general thesis, what you're doing now and how daylight fits into that?
5:49: You're putting me on the spot, Jason, but I'll let it.
5:54: So this is a funny story and we just recorded something on this that I think is coming out soon.
6:00: But I actually met Jason when he was still working in energy private equity.
6:06: And we were looking at, you know, some potential opportunities to roll up power plant data center manage services provider in, in the crypto space.
6:16: And so, yeah, we, we had that whole conversation, we thought we're gonna stack something maybe stack window closed.
6:22: And then a couple of months later, Jason called me up.
6:24: He was like, hey, I, I'm gonna start a company and I was like, oh, let's let's talk.
6:30: So it's been a, it's been a wild ride.
6:32: It's been a fun ride.
6:34: And I think for me, what I've always been excited about, I started my career in the oil and gas industry.
6:39: And at the end of the day, I think one of the things that in the crypto space we often don't appreciate is just the importance of, of physical infrastructure and physical assets I E energy and atoms to making everything in our digital world possible.
6:52: Now with the advent of A I, which by the way, I don't think this boom in A I would have been possible without Bitcoin mining, I'm gonna go ahead and throw that out there.
6:59: Like Bitcoin mining was the template for how to build data centers in a very efficient way.
7:07: It created capital availability for hardware data center investing.
7:10: And it also created new business models in terms of polo and how to leverage low cost power.
7:16: And so, you know, when we started really chatting initially, I think the idea of V P P S or virtual power plants has sort of started gaining some popularity.
7:26: The Department of Energy in 2022 published its first sort of explainer on what V P P S or virtual power plants are Tesla, you know, power wall, I think towards the end of 22 2022 reached 250,000 installs, which was a big milestone for a home battery system.
7:43: Like that's something that hadn't really been done before despite the growing advent of a home solar installation.
7:49: But really my thesis all along has been oh, I'm sorry, I'm gonna have some background noise and my thesis all along has been, you know, crypto is a phenomenal tool.
7:59: So far, we've used it primarily to reshape capital markets and to improve on capital markets, microstructure.
8:05: But it's time for crypto to begin bending the arc of reality.
8:08: In our physical world and radically reshaping systems and our physical world.
8:12: And in my view, the most obvious use for public blockchains over the next decade will be to be the coordinations layer for electrons and atoms I E thermo economically scarce resources that make life on planet earth possible.
8:28: So I'm very excited about daylight.
8:30: I think daylight is one of the first companies that has actually been able to navigate the D A when it comes to decentralized energy generation and ship an app, they're about to ship a whole network and a whole suite of products.
8:44: But it's a really difficult idea maze to navigate.
8:48: The energy grid is a really complex and fickle system.
8:52: It is rife with overregulation, poor market structure, inability to hedge and is just a really, really complex system.
9:01: And the last thing I'll just add is someone tweeted the other day, something really funny.
9:06: It's actually easier to, for humans to go to space than it is for humans to rebuild the energy grid.
9:13: I think that's definitely true.
9:14: I know that sounds crazy.
9:15: I know it sounds wild, but the grid is just a really, really, really complex system that has been built up over decades and it's just really difficult to reform.
9:26: And so I think daylight is a really unique and novel approach to starting to tackle some of the complexities and some of the inherent sort of inefficiencies in the grid by using distributed networks and also a, a token incentive incentive.
9:42: Pardon?
9:42: So excited to dig in that more and I'll, I'll stop there.
9:46: Amazing.
9:47: N is there anything specifically about like token?
9:49: Why do you think Token incentives are so powerful?
9:51: Why, why have they, they grown to be such a powerful coordinator?
9:55: Because greed is the ultimate adoption flywheel and token price is the ultimate user experience.
10:03: And I don't say that like in a funny sort of way, but people are really, you know, incentivized by this idea that they could make money.
10:11: That's sort of what created, you know, made Bitcoin possible.
10:15: We memed Bitcoin into a, you know, $1.5 trillion asset class and the flywheel that got Bitcoin started and kept Bitcoin going and continues to keep Bitcoin going is this idea of number go up technology.
10:28: So speculation is the lifeblood of human progress.
10:31: And I think tokens are a very important part of aligning incentives, but also bringing in the very much needed speculative capital.
10:38: If you subscribe to Carlotta Perez's theory around how new technology innovations create financial bubbles and those financial bubbles are an essential part of providing the capital that's needed for paper value to grow and eventually create like real world production values she calls it.
10:57: So I think speculation and and token enabled speculation is an important part of creating the capital availability that's needed to fund things like daylight and other solutions to try to resolve some of these really complex problems that are really impossible to sort of fund through traditional venture funding.
11:15: Amazing.
11:16: Thank you so much for that.
11:17: I, I totally agree.
11:19: Let's jump to guy real quick.
11:21: So guy, you've been a big deep end and for people that might be in the cold that are, you know, the term deep end, it's kind of a crypto industry term for decentralized physical infrastructure networks.
11:32: And these are pioneered by, you know, in the early days file coin for decentralized storage networks.
11:37: And then helium is really the biggest one that people point to decentralized Bitcoin is the original.
11:43: I know, I'm sorry, I know, I know you stand on that hill, Milton and I don't disagree with you, but I think the helium, you know, people point to helium.
11:53: I think in the wrong way when you people look at the I O T network, they always point to the lack of significant demand for the I T network.
12:00: But I think the incredible innovation of helium is to point out how it is the largest, globally ubiquitous wireless network in the world.
12:08: And it was built in under two years.
12:09: I think it's just a fascinating group concept.
12:11: So anyways, that's a deep and as the guy, you've been a deep and advocate since before Massari coined the term what gets you excited about the intersection of energy and defense.
12:22: Yeah, for sure.
12:23: So, well, first of all, nice to see everyone here.
12:26: It's fantastic to have so many people in a Twitter space for Decentralized Energy.
12:30: I'm one of the investors at a 16 C crypto and we published yesterday a blog post explaining why we're so excited about Jason and daylight.
12:40: And then today a reading list on decentralized energy.
12:42: And if you're interested in digging into any of these topics further, I'd encourage you to go take a look.
12:47: So I I'll give kind of my definition of of deep end and at least what is exciting about deep end to me.
12:54: And I know other people on the call will have somewhat different perspectives.
12:57: So I'll let them chime in later.
12:59: But at least to me deepen is anything related to the physical world on, on a crypto network that you can't verify computationally.
13:07: So for something like a smart contract platform or even like Bitcoin, you can verify that with consensus or, or in some cases with distinct proofs.
13:15: But for anything touching the physical world, like telecommunications, energy or transportation, you can't actually verify that in a purely trust way.
13:25: And so that, that's kind of how I think about deepen and the three categories that I'm most interested in.
13:29: Deepen are telecom energy and transportation.
13:32: I think energy is probably the, the one I've heard other people talk about.
13:35: The least I, I got much more interested in it.
13:38: Initially because I used to work for protocol labs.
13:40: Protocol labs is the company that makes file coin.
13:42: And I worked in their independent research group trying to build a protocol for a decentralized internet.
13:49: And that's a broad term, but essentially we're working on a civil resistance mechanism based on networking bandwidth as opposed to hash power, file storage stake something else.
13:58: And one of the other projects, one of the other research projects in our group is literally called the Decentralized Energy Project.
14:03: And Protocol lab still has a bunch of writing on the website about that project, which was led by Red Rans and, and Michael Hammersley.
14:09: And they kind of convinced me of the value of decentralized energy specifically applied to crypto.
14:15: And then there's someone else who works at a 16 Z on the American dynamism team, Ryan mcintosh, who's written a lot of really interesting blogs similarly about decentralized energy, totally not in a crypto context.
14:27: And when I kind of saw the confluence of both people coming from a crypto perspective, recognize that that energy was such a massive network.
14:33: And you know, there were real reasons to decentralize it, the confidence of that with people who had no interest in crypto at all, kind of seeing a secular decentralization of the energy grid.
14:42: It became something that I was really interested in.
14:45: And so there's a good question as to like, why, why would you want to decentralize the energy grid.
14:50: And at least from my perspective, I think there are two main reasons deepen and specifically decentralized energy are interesting.
14:56: I think other people will probably talk about token incentives about supply side distribution which Jason was just alluding to.
15:03: But the two things I think are most interesting and perhaps less talked about are first permissionless innovation.
15:08: The idea that you allow anyone to contribute to programming the energy grid, to programming a transportation network, programming a telecom network.
15:16: I think we've seen proven out in defi that when you allow anyone to propose new structures or new protocols, you actually have a lot of interesting ideas and innovation that you wouldn't get through traditional pathways.
15:27: And so I think that's kind of the first prong that really interests me is is permissionless innovation.
15:32: And then second, when you look at everything else happening in crypto, usually the argument is, well, we want to move from web two to web three.
15:40: And when you look at what, what what is happening in, in in energy today or decentralized energy, you have large atrophying incumbent monopolies and to move from that status quo, large atrophying incumbent monopolies and to move from that status quo to web three or to a fully decentralized network, I think is incredibly exciting.
16:00: And just as you saw a lot of different countries and economies leapfrog from cash payments directly to digital payments, kind of skipping the credit card era.
16:10: I'm very hopeful that you know, the energy grid both in America and abroad can move from our current monopolistic state to one that is much more decentralized and programmable.
16:20: And I, I think what, what Jason and the daylight team are doing towards that goal is, is really admirable and exciting.
16:45: Looks like Jason got off the stage for a moment and now he's back on.
16:51: Sorry guys.
16:52: I dropped my spotty wifi at Coin Base base camp here is throwing me for a loop, but we're back.
16:58: But thanks for answering the question guy.
17:00: I unfortunately missed most of it, but I'm sure it was fantastic.
17:03: It truly was.
17:05: I, I think I, I've heard it a couple of times.
17:08: Jason.
17:08: So, you know, we'll, we'll talk about it later.
17:11: Cool.
17:11: Yeah, Jason, I think you might know the answer already.
17:15: That guy, I think really enlightening for everyone else in the space myself included.
17:19: I think so.
17:20: Cool.
17:21: We're gonna move to Vance and Framework Vance.
17:24: I think this is, I think this is framework's first, deep investment or it's certainly one of the first.
17:30: And I'm sure you had the opportunity to look at, look at many others.
17:33: And so my question to you is what about daylight and the protocol and the market gets you excited about us versus, you know, some of the other things you've seen before.
17:43: I mean, most of the team, I would say like you guys are just so talented and you know exactly what you're doing.
17:49: Electricity is kind of interesting in and of itself, you know, load growth and increasing costs and it being a large part of inflation means that there's a lot of creative solutions that need to kind of come to the fore to solve it on the kind of supply side.
18:03: Like there's definitely SM R s and some interesting electricity tech that's starting to take off.
18:07: But you're still kind of missing like that, that convex layer on top to coordinate everything and there's different shapes to this market as well.
18:15: There's government subsidies, there's a lot of different ways to play it.
18:17: So I mean, it's just such a different project that I think that's kind of what drew me to it initially.
18:23: And, you know, you really, I like, I think this is the first Decentralized energy project I've ever seen.
18:30: So there's just a lot of green space and I think that's kind of where crypto is right now.
18:35: It's people need to kind of push from the margins into new industries.
18:39: And yeah, I mean, you guys are talented, so happy to back you.
18:46: I appreciate it.
18:47: I totally agree.
18:48: I I have this phrase, maybe a lot of people disagree with me on this, but crypto was way more ambitious in 2017 and people wanted to take on tons of different industries and we feel like we've gotten more and more insular over the last call it seven years.
19:02: Maybe the professional crypto investors on here will disagree with me on that statement, but we're certainly excited to go chase energy.
19:08: I'm excited to see a lot more projects, chase a lot of different industries and attempt to restructure the way they work with, you know, new coordinations tools.
19:16: So, so quick question for you and mahesh feel free to chime in as well.
19:21: You guys see everything in deep end, you, you know, you've publicly expressed your bullishness on energy.
19:26: What do you see as the opportunity for daylight energy deep in?
19:29: And how does that compare to other markets you guys spend time in?
19:35: I think we can all say it's definitely the hardest.
19:38: and that applies to like capital intensity regulation.
19:45: you know, as a function of being really hard, I think it attracts really amazing people and including, you know, most of the people we have on the daylight team.
19:51: And so that's the you know, that's why people on daylight.
19:55: But compared to other markets, I mean, look, the energy sector, I think like the 2017 era of crypto projects where many people think about peer to peer energy and they see this, you know, you sort of have like the wireless mesh networking approach of, hey, we can just have these notes talk to each other and cut out the grid completely.
20:11: And that's just like, extremely hard, like energy is much more, less fault tolerant than wireless in the sense that people demand like power all the time.
20:22: You can hurt yourself installing it.
20:25: There, it's sort of like more ephemeral in nature.
20:28: And so the in general, it's like much harder to build a cohesive network that you can coordinate across a bunch of different types of assets that are geographically dispersed.
20:38: And it, I think it's really, I mean, especially in, you know, 2022 and 2023 like it was really not clear how to do that.
20:45: And, you know, we've like, I've seen you go through a couple different iterations of like what the daylight game plan was going to be over the years.
20:53: And I think that we've really figured it out around having, you know, using crypto native ways to scale and sort of having this like, you know, price dynamic and exactly what Melton was saying, like price is the best, the best customer acquisition strategy.
21:06: And if we are able to embed that with an energy grid, that's probably the most ambitious opportunity in all of D P.
21:13: And so yeah, super excited to to be backing you guys alongside everybody else that's here.
21:21: Thanks Al Mah has anything to to add, I think maj is just a listener right now.
21:28: So I'm gonna speak on his behalf and say, no, we can get him up here as mahesh likes to say, I like to say he's, he's just an N PC.
21:40: Yeah, it's actually just me.
21:40: He's just he's just a front man.
21:45: All right.
21:46: Well, Mike and Regan jump to you guys.
21:49: , you guys have been, you know, whenever before Deepen was a thing before crypto investors were focused on it.
21:56: You guys were very much, you know, building a thesis around it.
21:59: You coined the original Deep End name, which was Tip in which is short lived.
22:03: But, you know, it was a, it was, it was a bright flash, it burned brightly and then it died.
22:08: But it was, it was a great attempt to name the category for the first time.
22:12: Where are you excited to see, you know, us as daylight go in the next coming months and years?
22:17: Yeah, I can, I can jump in.
22:19: Thanks.
22:19: Thanks Jason.
22:20: And I just wanted to comment how interesting it is that, that we've, they've reached the point where everyone uses their real face.
22:26: I don't know if that's because it's a deepened project.
22:29: But the exception of Reagan, we're all using our, our real, our real phases on this, on this Twitter space anyhow.
22:38: Yeah, you know, this is interesting because we invested now over two years ago for the first time into, into daylight, we've gone through several iterations with the team.
22:47: And I think naturally as crypto investors, you know, we, we really want to get to the crypto side pretty quickly.
22:55: So that's building out supply, using the model that, that, that he really popularized.
23:01: I think, you know, we were quite keen on getting to that stage just because you have a lot of excitement on building out a community leveraging the tokens to to grow.
23:11: And you know, the funny thing that happened is that, that we had a bear market right after we invested and that was just, it was just gonna be immensely challenging.
23:19: Not only because the market wasn't you know, as, as as attractive for participants in these deep end networks at that stage.
23:29: But also, you know, just from a, from a demand side perspective, you know, you guys are really doing a lot of experimentation on that side just to figure out what was going to work on that side.
23:38: So, you know, what, what we're excited about at this point is like you've done a lot of that experimentation.
23:43: you really looked at the marketplace and how you can work with existing contractors within the energy industry.
23:48: And now turning to the crypto side and starting to leverage the token of the protocol to build out the supply side, build out the community and start to, you know, really point in the direction of what I think everyone here knows and loves and appreciates about this industry.
24:03: You know, we've had to kind of put that on the back burner for the past couple of years and really focus on the demand side now, turning to supplies, you know, at least on my end.
24:11: , you know what I think is gonna be a lot of fun because, you know, unlike a lot of projects in the deep end space where really requires you to buy a lot of specialized hardware to get started, you know, what's cool at daylight is you can get started, you know, today just with, you know, a lot of the devices that you already have in your home.
24:28: And I think that's really unique and that's gonna be a special opportunity for you guys to build out a really, really large community.
24:35: You know, very quickly.
24:39: Awesome, Regan.
24:40: You got anything to add.
24:44: No, I'll, you know, Mike.
24:46: yeah, Mike.
24:46: Mike's really the deep and pioneer, so I'll, I'll let him be the focus for us.
24:52: Awesome.
24:53: Well, cool.
24:53: Well, we got four minutes until our event here is scheduled to end.
24:57: So we're gonna do real quick lightning round, quick questions.
25:00: Hopefully some hot takes to get answers.
25:02: First one's for Vance.
25:03: If you wanted to get long A I, would you rather go long compute or long power power?
25:11: I mean, even Zuck is saying he needs like three nukes to power a single data center.
25:16: So, or, or at least one big one that he wants and, and that's roughly the schematics for Microsoft's, I forget what it's called, like, like starship or something like their big data center.
25:27: But the, the limiting function here is power.
25:32: So I kind of view this as downstream to A I in terms of like daylight specifically, like you saw all the A I stocks take off and then you saw the electricity and the utilities ramp basically the same amount.
25:47: And so utilities ramp basically the same amount.
25:51: And so it's kind of all the same thing, but power has a lot more leverage to it because it's basically downstream of everything.
26:01: There you go hard to hear first.
26:03: Good answer.
26:04: All right guy, if you had a magic wand, what is the one thing you'd like to see a new defense implement that might be missing from the first generation of defense?
26:12: Yes, it's hard to encapsulate this succinctly.
26:14: But I would say, I think not enough deep projects, focus on verification.
26:18: And what I mean by that is the physical service that they provide be that energy information about energy compute something else oftentimes it's possible to spoof or, or to game the systems and as someone providing supply, effectively increase costs for end users.
26:35: And I think that the team is probably we've done the best academic research on this so far as a team called witness chain.
26:40: And if you go on their website, they have a number of good papers to focus on there And then we, we have some content that I think we'll put out soon about this.
26:47: But essentially I think the, the reason you want to do verification is it allows you to fully decentralize your network.
26:53: And that actually gives you most of the, the benefits that I think are, are particularly interesting here.
26:56: So I'd love to see more different projects.
26:58: Focus on, on verification.
27:02: Great answer.
27:03: And the last one is for the cult leader herself, Melton.
27:07: What is your hottest?
27:08: Take most unpopular opinion on deep end?
27:11: Yeah.
27:13: I don't know how hot it is and I'm going to talk about this at E V Three's Deepen summit.
27:18: So shout out to Salma hash for putting that together next week in New York.
27:22: It is this deepen in order to be effective needs markets, deep liquid markets and hedging derivatives, hedging tools, everything in the energy and compute space starts with sort of value chain investing and that means the ability to hedge and sort of manage your Capex and Opex effectively through the utilization of derivatives crypto is really, really optimized for that.
27:48: We've built all this amazing market microstructure that allows you to do a lot of really cool shit.
27:56: We're not using it at all.
27:57: So I think in order for deep end to succeed, we're going to need a lot more infrastructure, commodities, deepen focused market microstructure.
28:05: I'm about to invest in a ton of companies that are building that market microstructure.
28:09: So excited to talk about that more and share the research slides with everyone on, on Twitter slash X as we, we do that, but you can't have effective infrastructure without having effective capital markets to enable Capex and Opex providers to sort of hedge out some of the volatility.
28:28: And so, yeah, I'm just excited D P needs D five to succeed and so we need a lot of derivatives.
28:35: Let's let's go forth and build great answer.
28:39: Awesome.
28:40: Well, that takes us to the end here.
28:41: Thanks everyone for joining.
28:42: Thanks guys for coming up and speaking and taking time tonight to speak, really appreciate it.
28:46: Everyone go download the Daylight app, start connecting energy devices, start earning points, which went live yesterday in the app.
28:54: You can find the app in the Daylight Twitter account just in the link it by you via go download it, join the discard Discord, start engaging.
29:01: We have a lot of exciting announcements and join and participate and help us build something really special.
29:08: But thanks everyone that concludes the boat.
29:11: Let's go the boat horn.
29:14: Come on.
29:17: It's so fucking good.
29:19: You have an entire soundboard on here for a reason.
29:22: I suppose there's a soundboard.
29:24: Oh, my goodness, innovation on every front.
29:27: Let's go.
29:29: Yeah.
29:29: Such an honor to have everyone here, Jason.
29:33: You did an amazing job as our speaker and leader.
29:37: And yeah, I just want to invite anyone who's still here on the space to follow the daylight journey.
29:42: We'll be really active on X on forecast or on Discord or telegram.
29:48: We even got a tiktok.
29:50: So, you know, we're just getting started and lots of fun partnerships to come.
29:55: Couldn't be more honored to be supported by such luminaries as the ones you just heard.
29:59: Speak.
30:09: Good night.
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This is just the beginning of the Daylight Journey.
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The future is bright.
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