Introducing Farther V2

Farther

Farther

I'm excited to announce Farther V2. This is a big change in how tipping works. Its an attempt to alleviate two problems:

  1. User churn
    Many potentially valuable users who try Farcaster end up leaving when they don't get enough engagement. There is a great discussion about this problem between ted & nonlinear on an episode of their podcast, many such cases (last 10 minutes here).

  2. Tips feeling spammy
    There are many tipping tokens that are all relatively undifferentiated, making many tips seem more akin to spam. See this poll from @dwr.eth

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This all boiled down to a question...

What if tips could increase engagement for underrated users while simultaneously make the tips more meaningful?

The answer I've arrived at is to reward tippers based on how well they're targeting users who have the biggest increase to their engagement over time.

It works as follows:

  1. Every time a tip is given, the recipient's OpenRank global engagement score is stored.

  2. Every six hours, the app checks how much the engagement score has changed since the time of the tip, and multiplies the change by the amount of the tip. This is the tip score.

  3. For tips during the season, tip scores of each tipper are summed. This is the Tipper Score.

  4. At the end of the season, every tipper with a positive Tipper Score receives a pro rata share of a rewards pool based on their score relative to the sum of all positive tipper scores.

This essentially makes tipping into a competitive game and pseudo prediction market for increasing qDAU. My hope is that it will make tips more meaningful and less spammy, as each will be like an investment in the future growth of the recipient.

Additional details:

  • A balance of 100k is still the requirement to receive a tip allowance.

  • Tips to other tippers are not included

  • Every tipper will receive the same daily allowance. The aim of this is to make it meritocratic and direct focus to the tipper score & rewards.

  • No restrictions on tip amounts aside from the daily allowance. No minimum tip size.

  • Tip recipients must have at least 100 followers. This is necessary to mitigate people from farming allowances with dummy accounts.

  • The monthly rewards pool will start at 3 million $farther.

  • Total daily allowance will start by targeting $2000 worth of $farther, determined by the token’s price at the time of the daily allowance reset. The target amount may be adjusted in the future. Allowances for most current tippers will decrease, but the benefit is this will enable more tokens for rewards and increase the system's longevity.

OpenRank data has already been syncing for the past week and the website has been updated to display everyones current tipper score. Scores will reset back to zero on August 1st when the new season begins. I welcome everyone to send me your questions & feedback in the meantime.

Acknowledgements: Huge thank you to @wahoo.eth and @russian_acai for their valuable feedback on the design, as well as everyone who reviewed the app idea that Farther V2 started as.

Saxophone55Farcaster
Saxophone55
Commented 1 year ago

Today's tipper score dropped by over 100 points compared to yesterday. It's really hard to predict.🤔 Frame by @saxophone55.eth

downshift. 🏎️💨Farcaster
downshift. 🏎️💨
Commented 1 year ago

I'm supporting you through @microsub! microsub is now in public alpha for $DEGEN, with support for HAM coming soon. 🍖x234 (Please mute the keyword "ms!t" if you prefer not to see these casts.)

AkoFarcaster
Ako
Commented 1 year ago

How did you calculate the tipper score ? It's for current season or next ?

Saxophone55Farcaster
Saxophone55
Commented 1 year ago

It seems to be the points that will be used for v2 starting in August. Apparently, it changes based on your OPENRANK score. https://paragraph.xyz/@farther/farther-v2

AkoFarcaster
Ako
Commented 1 year ago

Yeah have read it already ,much excited for next season , I'd be there !

Kyle PatrickFarcaster
Kyle Patrick
Commented 1 year ago

We still go farther 177 $farther

eggcooker.base.ethFarcaster
eggcooker.base.eth
Commented 1 year ago

Very useful. Thank you. 200 $farther

non 🐹Farcaster
non 🐹
Commented 1 year ago

🫡 177 $farther

M.D Luffy 🤠Farcaster
M.D Luffy 🤠
Commented 1 year ago

I don't hav it but Cool frame farther 69 $wild 69 $tree

Diana🎩Farcaster
Diana🎩
Commented 1 year ago

Farther together fam💙

demangFarcaster
demang
Commented 1 year ago

@saxophone55.eth same with me brotha I don't know how it works but let's go farther together 180 $farther

Punk2th 🎩Farcaster
Punk2th 🎩
Commented 1 year ago

hopefully we get another boost tomorrow 😂

SyubidabFarcaster
Syubidab
Commented 1 year ago

so hard to predict that saxo haha happy sunday my bro

Saxophone55Farcaster
Saxophone55
Commented 1 year ago

✨farther✨ Frame by @saxophone55.eth

Vlady🎩Farcaster
Vlady🎩
Commented 1 year ago

wowowow love frame

downshift. 🏎️💨Farcaster
downshift. 🏎️💨
Commented 1 year ago

I'm supporting you through @microsub! microsub is now in public alpha for $DEGEN, with more tokens coming soon. 🍖x233 (Please mute the keyword "ms!t" if you prefer not to see these casts.)

wakkinFarcaster
wakkin
Commented 1 year ago

good frame!! 300 farther 🍖 x 555

Mina Farcaster
Mina
Commented 1 year ago

Does tip score must be higher or lower?

Saxophone55Farcaster
Saxophone55
Commented 1 year ago

Seems like it's some kind of bonus points given in v2. I don't fully understand it yet either... https://paragraph.xyz/@farther/farther-v2

Punk2th 🎩Farcaster
Punk2th 🎩
Commented 1 year ago

I believe this is an additional bonus for those with an allowance, and it has a ranking system as well. The higher the rank, the bigger the allocation they can get.

M.D Luffy 🤠Farcaster
M.D Luffy 🤠
Commented 1 year ago

Let's Go farther 22 $degen 69 $tree

chie lilybellFarcaster
chie lilybell
Commented 1 year ago

おとうちゃん✨ 190 $farther

Emily 🎩🃏🍖Farcaster
Emily 🎩🃏🍖
Commented 1 year ago

Go farther ✨✨

Diana🎩Farcaster
Diana🎩
Commented 1 year ago

Farther together fam

DegenDog🎩Farcaster
DegenDog🎩
Commented 1 year ago

Farther we together 🙌

PenguinFarcaster
Penguin
Commented 1 year ago

I wanna know my tipper score too :(

🔸pohe🎩🔮🍖📄Farcaster
🔸pohe🎩🔮🍖📄
Commented 1 year ago

/farther v2 coming Augest 1st!! Tipper scores will be calculated based on OpenRank!! I'll update the guide!! - 100k is required for the allowance. - At least 100 followers are needed to receive tips. - Everyone will receive the same daily allowance (approximately $7.5), and the minimum tip amount has been abolished. *The total daily allowance is set at $3000 worth of $farther, which will be distributed among the current 400 eligible tippers, resulting in $7.5 per person. - アロワンスのために100kは必要 - 受け取るには少なくとも100人のフォロワーが必要です。 - みんな同じ日次アロワンス(約$7.5)を受け取る、チップの最低金額も廃止 ※日次アロワンスの総額は$3000相当の$fartherに設定、これを今のチップ権利者400人に分配するので、一人当たり$7.5と計算した。 https://paragraph.xyz/@farther/farther-v2

David 🎩Farcaster
David 🎩
Commented 1 year ago

Let's go!!! 200 $farther

nattc.framedl.eth 🫂⚡️Farcaster
nattc.framedl.eth 🫂⚡️
Commented 1 year ago

I just joined yesterday both $tree and $farther . You're the real builder Pohe❤️ 88 $degen

MaretusFarcaster
Maretus
Commented 1 year ago

Exciting changes coming to /farther. I think it sounds like a great idea! Incentivizing people to help others grow is such a great idea for /farcaster. I love what you’ve been cooking @gigamesh! https://paragraph.xyz/@farther/farther-v2

Dvyne🎩Farcaster
Dvyne🎩
Commented 1 year ago

Yeahh I had same thought Although it seems like it could affect a group of people first But it's better for farcaster users

MaretusFarcaster
Maretus
Commented 1 year ago

What do you mean, affect a group of people first?

Dvyne🎩Farcaster
Dvyne🎩
Commented 1 year ago

There are many low rank farcaster users on farther The tip score system says it rewards quality casters more yeah? Which makes sense But I've also noticed that there are more low rank users on farther tipping, so they might not be happy at first

NikoFarcaster
Niko
Commented 1 year ago

You beat me to it while I was typing it out! :P https://warpcast.com/nikdmello.eth/0xa8681f28

AkoFarcaster
Ako
Commented 1 year ago

It means your allowance depends on your open rank , and your claimable airdrop also depends on how much your open ranked has increased depends on your activity during the season, Am I understand right ?

MaretusFarcaster
Maretus
Commented 1 year ago

No you kinda misunderstood. @nikomfer.eth wrote a better cast explaining it than I can.

NikoFarcaster
Niko
Commented 1 year ago

Your current OpenRank engagement score (not rank) doesn't matter, what matters is the percentage increase over the season, so tippers are incentivized to tip tippees who will gain a lot of engagement score throughout the season! https://warpcast.com/nikdmello.eth/0xa8681f28

MaretusFarcaster
Maretus
Commented 1 year ago

Basically, you want to tip people and then promote them is my read on it.

Smash Thunder Stone 🎩Farcaster
Smash Thunder Stone 🎩
Commented 1 year ago

I did see that. Looks like they really want to incentivize bringing in new people.

MaretusFarcaster
Maretus
Commented 1 year ago

Yeah, and then also keeping them here which is the really hard part I think. I am definitely going to be shooting for a big part of that prize pool! :P

Stephen Miller 🍖⌐◨-◨Farcaster
Stephen Miller 🍖⌐◨-◨
Commented 1 year ago

Love the new approach, might have to jump into farther

MaretusFarcaster
Maretus
Commented 1 year ago

Yeah, I like that it is so closely aligned with the goals of Farcaster. Promoting and helping retain new users.

Stephen Miller 🍖⌐◨-◨Farcaster
Stephen Miller 🍖⌐◨-◨
Commented 1 year ago

If we could carry that over to twitter somehow, that could be a game changer. I think ham had the right idea with floaties on twitter

Degury.degen.ethFarcaster
Degury.degen.eth
Commented 1 year ago

good updata

Ibiwunmi 🎭🎩⚡🍄🔵🤡Farcaster
Ibiwunmi 🎭🎩⚡🍄🔵🤡
Commented 1 year ago

Great work and Nice innovative there

Michael Asensio 🧑‍🌾🎩Farcaster
Michael Asensio 🧑‍🌾🎩
Commented 1 year ago

Yes it's very good idea friend Let's go farther together ✨✨

NONAME 🎩Farcaster
NONAME 🎩
Commented 1 year ago

The real good person 😍

AdamBoy 🎩Farcaster
AdamBoy 🎩
Commented 1 year ago

Its a Good update bro, it will help lower ranks to get visibility. Specially the scoring mechanism they provided. Hope we can join next season

NftBikerFarcaster
NftBiker
Commented 1 year ago

Tipping rules for FARTHER change next month ... Everything is explained on their doc : https://paragraph.xyz/@farther/farther-v2 I didn't understood anything at all ... According to my tipper score, based on the avg of my tips that didn't make anyone famous, it seems that I will be part of a shameboard for ruining qDAU (WTF is this???) and that you can through rocks at me as I didn't help you to get your 15 minutes of fame 😈 If someone have better understanding of this, please speak now 😅

Marius WatzFarcaster
Marius Watz
Commented 1 year ago

I feel your pain! Locked down enough DEGEN to get an ok allowance, the bonus is definitely not having to think about it. Also haven’t tried to grok BUILD, HAM etc. 😅 50 $DEGEN

NftBikerFarcaster
NftBiker
Commented 1 year ago

Yes it seems that only DEGEN is a tipping coin, all other coins pretend to be the next tipping coin at start, but quickly evolve in some kind of "marketing" coin with crazy rules that ask you to dedicate so much of your free time to them that it's a total nonsense ... Thx for the tip Marius :-)

QotonanaFarcaster
Qotonana
Commented 1 year ago

👏

rickacrane 🎩☮️Farcaster
rickacrane 🎩☮️
Commented 1 year ago

If you don't understand, there is literally no hope for me 😅 300 $farther

NftBikerFarcaster
NftBiker
Commented 1 year ago

I have no patience when people try to explain me how to tip so maybe you will be better than me to understand this :) Thx for the tip

FluffheadChaserFarcaster
FluffheadChaser
Commented 1 year ago

🤣

gillFarcaster
gill
Commented 1 year ago

this documentation is not user friendly at all. An ELI5 is urgently needed. @samuellhuber.eth take a look if u can. they could use your skills.

Samuel ツFarcaster
Samuel ツ
Commented 1 year ago

Hey @farther happy to rework your docs if you put out a bounty for it. Else I assume Ryan or Pichi have guides already?

369Farcaster
369
Commented 1 year ago

Im not even into it 😅 waste on me.

Bárbara BezinaFarcaster
Bárbara Bezina
Commented 1 year ago

Everything gets more confusing and complex every time, my god! This could have been a beautiful app..

Introducing Farther V2