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On Memecoins from a Skeptic

Reid DeRamus

Reid DeRamus

One of the biggest challenges of working in crypto and around onchain apps is the constant propulsion to find the next new thing. Fads come and go as the swarm of attention moves elsewhere.

For a long time, I kept memecoins at arm’s length. I was dismissive — a common reaction to not understanding something.

But as we’ve been discussing unique ways we could help writers build relationships with their readers and make money on Paragraph, it's been hard to totally ignore memecoins. Then, I finally got around to watching Murad's presentation on memecoins from TOKEN2049.

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Murad's insights into why memecoins outperformed in 2024 are super compelling. But what struck me most were his frameworks for understanding why the motivations behind why people were investing in memecoins. We saw these same types of motivations in more “traditional” media, across Hulu, Crunchyroll, HBO, and Substack — those same basic motivations are what drove people to become fans of brands, shows, writers / creators, and so on.

What do people care about?

One of the key points Murad makes is that retain investors don't care about the software behind blockchains, onchain apps and products, or any crypto project. They mostly care about making money, but also having fun and wanting to be a part of something.

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I love how Murad breaks these motivations down into specific percentages (e.g., 70% of their motivation is driven by wanting to make money). People’s decisions are driven by a mix of motivations. People make decisions for a mix of reasons. If you're building a product — a SaaS / enterprise product, a consumer app, a newsletter, paintings — one of the most important things to do is develop a deep understanding of why people are buying your product, which is often a mix of various reasons.

Hyper-speculation and the desire to make money are undeniably powerful forces in crypto. But as someone building products in this space, I get nervous when financial gain is the only motivator. It feels too zero-sum, like a house of cards waiting to collapse.

That's why I found it especially compelling that Murad introduces motivations beyond purely seeking financial gain: fun & community.

The utility of memecoins

Taking this a step further, Murad offers several ways memecoins provide utility. This is where things really click for me — these are all the reasons why people fall in love with anime shows or the Crunchyroll brand, writers or pieces of writing on Substack, and IP universes like Game of Thrones, Marvel, or Star Wars.

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These elements of value helped me understand why people would invest in (buy? participate in?) memecoins. It's a helpful framing for clearly separating out the more software-driven altcoins vs. media- / community-driven memecoins. To be successful, memecoins don't need intrinsic cash flow or revenue share to satisfy investors — they're providing "services", like buying a ticket to a movie.

Now, you could easily make the argument that people aren't driven by the desire to make money when they buy tickets to movies, subscriptions to streaming services & Substacks, and so on. Yes, true, but I think introducing the desire for fans to make money could actually lead to some really interesting creative projects, works of art, and new worlds & forms of media.

And perhaps just a larger economy for creative work — wouldn't that be cool?

Closing ramblings

This is ultimately why I think that percentage allocation across motivations is important. If people invest in memecoins purely for financial gain, many will lose interest quickly; but if they see memecoins as a way to make friends, express themselves, or support ideas they care about, the memecoin cycle / trend becomes more durable — and far more intriguing.

A quick aside: I've been thinking about how memecoins might be part of a broader shift in how younger generations approach "investing".

My parents & other boomers were all about buying a house, the 60/40 portfolio split, and were pretty skeptical of businesses that didn't generate nearly-immediate profits. My generation was among the first to deeply embrace growth stocks, cryptocurrencies, and other riskier alternative investments. Now, younger generations seem to be leaning even harder into asymmetric bets.

With inflation driving up costs and affordability declining, the difference between a $1,000 and $2,000 net worth feels negligible. But the possibility of turning $1,000 into $100,000? That’s deeply compelling.

This is one of Murad's central points in why memecoins have outperformed altcoins: memecoins enable poor HODL’s to get rich, turning them into unpaid evangelists; altcoins only allow a small group of insiders to make money at the expense of "retail" investors.

Don't get me wrong — I still think chasing 100x returns investing in memecoins is incredibly risky and, echoing from above, on of my main concerns is that those purely seeking financial gain are building a house of cards.

What do you think? Are memecoins here to stay? Where do you see product opportunities, if any, to support the continued growth of memecoins (? What do you think of Fred Wilson's "provocation" below?

TikTok turns all videos into memecoins that can be traded on decentralized exchanges all over the world.

For anyone skeptical of memecoins, but open-minded, I highly recommend checking out Murad's presentation. It introduced me to a new way of thinking about memecoins and ultimately made me much more optimistic about their durability — maybe it'll do the same for you.

Talk soon,
Reid

Chukwuka OsakweFarcaster
Chukwuka Osakwe
Commented 3 months ago

yet to read a convincing case for memecoin utility and it's been a while now since memecoin mania resumed afresh. are we all just lying to ourselves to pump the bags?

kbcFarcaster
kbc
Commented 3 months ago

What about the original write up for higher?

Chukwuka OsakweFarcaster
Chukwuka Osakwe
Commented 3 months ago

oh i must have missed that. point me in the right direction?

Reid DeRamusFarcaster
Reid DeRamus
Commented 3 months ago

I'm still in your camp, but I tried to convince myself otherwise: https://paragraph.xyz/@reidtandy/on-memecoins-from-a-skeptic I really do think Murad's presentation is top notch. Don't agree with everything in there, but helped me better understand why some folks (lots of my friends!) have gotten swept up w/ memecoins.

ColinFarcaster
Colin
Commented 3 months ago

Semi-regular Paragraph annoyances thread: If you could change one thing about Paragraph, what would it be?

KMacFarcaster
KMac
Commented 3 months ago

As a reader I will head to paragraph website to find a publication. eg /thefalsenine I can never seem to find it unless I login. Can you make that a featured publication on home page. Would be super helpful. 😜 Seriously. I can’t easily find stuff to read when I know what I want & when I don’t know. Keep going. Big fan of @paragraph more of a reader than a writer.

Reid DeRamusFarcaster
Reid DeRamus
Commented 3 months ago

Thank you for the feedback! /thefalsenine is a featured publication on Paragraph, so you should see them under "Featured Publications" on https://paragraph.xyz/home. You do need to be logged in — we could think about how to make the discovery feed open to non-logged-in folks. But I actually think a better way to go about this may be to find ways to keep people logged in more easily. If you're logged in, you should see posts from /thefalsenine & tons of other amazing writers on Paragraph on the feed: https://paragraph.xyz/home. We're always thinking about how we can drive better in-product discovery & have a lot of room for improvement — any specific ideas or suggestions would be much appreciated!

KMacFarcaster
KMac
Commented 3 months ago

You are correct. I stand corrected. 19 clicks to find it✌️

Bethany CrystalFarcaster
Bethany Crystal
Commented 3 months ago

Better search functions of past blog posts

GarrettFarcaster
Garrett
Commented 3 months ago

Why did you guys discontinue the article token-gating feature?

ColinFarcaster
Colin
Commented 3 months ago

Low usage, high maintenance, not a 10X better improvement than existing solutions. It wasn’t how we were going to find product market fit

GarrettFarcaster
Garrett
Commented 3 months ago

makes sense what are your top priorities now?

novalunosis 🌌Farcaster
novalunosis 🌌
Commented 3 months ago

More posts about wine 🍷

xh3b4sd ↑Farcaster
xh3b4sd ↑
Commented 3 months ago

I already reported some issues that have not been addressed yet. * Scheduling a new post in the new UI has no feedback upon click and it still might happen that I click "Post Now" after scheduling because the interface tricks me into behaving iratic. * On Android Chrome with a dark background in the blog, the phones control buttons have a white background. * Disabling collectables globally does not disable collectables when creating new posts ever since the new UI. Every week I have to manually disable collectables in my new posts.

Patrick AtwaterFarcaster
Patrick Atwater
Commented 3 months ago

I miss token gating. Tbh I don't really get how Paragraph is different from substack et all on the web3 dimension other than pieces getting parked on ARweave in perpetuity

Reid DeRamusFarcaster
Reid DeRamus
Commented 3 months ago

What do you miss about token-gating? We loved token-gating as a way to carve out differentiation, but it got very little usage (by readers *and* writers), and generated a large wave of consistent maintenance & issues. Still trying to figure out why & what we could have done differently... very possible we re-introduce it down the road.

Patrick AtwaterFarcaster
Patrick Atwater
Commented 3 months ago

I didn't get to the point where I was actually ready to use it tbh . I had an aspiration to use it as a way to have an inner circle for meetups and the like. Big daydream was a sort of revolutionary era tavern of sorts. So perhaps not the most helpful feedback since it was more an inchoate idea I was excited to run a few experiments down the road with rather than something super clear that I knew what to do with or was actively using.

SEHFarcaster
SEH
Commented 3 months ago

Already had a reply from this but looking forward to updates! https://warpcast.com/samanthaeharvey/0x5cb2eb75 https://warpcast.com/reidtandy/0x434ef159

SeeingBlueFarcaster
SeeingBlue
Commented 3 months ago

After clicking into an article (or while looking at an author's publications), there does not appear to be a quick way to get back to @paragraph "Home." One can get there via "Dashboard" and another click but wondering if there's a simpler way · 👓 🔵

ColinFarcaster
Colin
Commented 3 months ago

This is already solved on the new blog/post pages. I’ll DM you to try it out

Dan RomeroFarcaster
Dan Romero
Commented 3 months ago

If you don’t like the “make money” consumer value prop for Farcaster—what do you think is better? Reply with a suggestion and rationale. Like replies that resonate.

christinFarcaster
christin
Commented 3 months ago

i prefer the earlier messaging, something closer to farcaster is an economy... etc. which is closer to what @horsefacts.eth casted, make money..with a lot of nuance as to how b/c the current messaging implies solely trading alpha or rewards

Dan RomeroFarcaster
Dan Romero
Commented 3 months ago

Intellectually, I agree. But consumers aren’t looking for a new economy…

christinFarcaster
christin
Commented 3 months ago

😂 yeah, i understand why you are running the current experiment!

dawufiFarcaster
dawufi
Commented 3 months ago

fax

Streamm.tvFarcaster
Streamm.tv
Commented 3 months ago

best tech is price go up👍

SahilFarcaster
Sahil
Commented 3 months ago

Agree with the rationale. But how do you boil this down to a simple enough message? "With a lot of nuance as to how" does not paint a clear picture in my mind the way "make money" does, even though that picture is trading alpha / rewards.

christopherFarcaster
christopher
Commented 3 months ago

Yesterday's news, today!

Dan RomeroFarcaster
Dan Romero
Commented 3 months ago

🤣

Dan RomeroFarcaster
Dan Romero
Commented 3 months ago

Slow social

christopherFarcaster
christopher
Commented 3 months ago

FIRE

ericaFarcaster
erica
Commented 3 months ago

@slowcrypto where u at it's your time

MetaphoricalFarcaster
Metaphorical
Commented 3 months ago

Your posts. Your friends. Your network. Finally social for users. By users. Be your network.

Dan RomeroFarcaster
Dan Romero
Commented 3 months ago

I like the aesthetic. What if your friends aren’t on it yet?

MetaphoricalFarcaster
Metaphorical
Commented 3 months ago

Tie in channels as way to build up communities. Get groups of common interests to join. Maybe target fb groups unhappy with recent changes there. Build of dissatisfaction of ZuckMusk.

GaranceFarcaster
Garance
Commented 3 months ago

I like this also 👍

GIGAMΞSHFarcaster
GIGAMΞSH
Commented 3 months ago

Best one ☝️

GaranceFarcaster
Garance
Commented 3 months ago

Cool phrasing

shazowFarcaster
shazow
Commented 3 months ago

I know it's still early for channels but that's where all my thinking goes. "Communities with ownership" "Cooperative communities" Something about having your own governance, your own moderation, your own audience that can't get taken away.

jj 🛟Farcaster
jj 🛟
Commented 3 months ago

I think there’s a difference between “make money” and “get rich” I’m referencing Chip Wars - the book - where there’s a difference where people are trying to make a living vs make a life changing sums of money by doing xyz and it changes the behavior and urgency

jd 🌺Farcaster
jd 🌺
Commented 3 months ago

make money with friends

HaoleFarcaster
Haole
Commented 3 months ago

community for seeking crypto alpha

vrypan |--o--|Farcaster
vrypan |--o--|
Commented 3 months ago

I'm not sure what "most people" like. For me it was the sense that this thing here is hackable, that I can make it do things it was not "designed for".

vrypan |--o--|Farcaster
vrypan |--o--|
Commented 3 months ago

BTW, every one or nine in 1/9/90 uses more than one social apps, because they have more than one social networks (personal, professional, interest-based, etc.). How do you pitch a new restaurant? A new bar? https://blog.vrypan.net/2013/07/11/they-are-social-places-not-networks/ For me Farcaster is the only crypto-friendly network. Maybe this should be the pitch.

Syed Shah🏴‍☠️🌊Farcaster
Syed Shah🏴‍☠️🌊
Commented 3 months ago

I like the take rate messaging. Facebook earns 198 billion and creators that make the network earn 2 billion. YouTube 170 and 30. We can do better. Imagine a world where those numbers are flipped. Where the creators earn. What could they do? What would such a world look like? There’s a lot of work to synthesize that idea down to bite sized deliverables and prob a fun thing to do with ChatGPT when I wake up but yeah. Here is to me where Farcaster can make its mark.

avrilFarcaster
avril
Commented 3 months ago

agree

Inceptionally 🎩  Farcaster
Inceptionally 🎩
Commented 3 months ago

Some ideas: Make money with friends. Profitable connecting. Get rich AND find your niche. FC = Network + Net worth. Build your Audience, Wealth, & Network. The future of social and crypto, now.

Reid DeRamusFarcaster
Reid DeRamus
Commented 4 months ago

I've been trying to better understand memecoins and why people are drawn to them, and how that could become a durable, rising wave over time. I still don't quite get it & still foggy on how some of this manifests into "products" (at least beyond making it super easy to launch a memecoin and exchanges to buy / sell memecoins), so I'd love to hear feedback! https://paragraph.xyz/@reidtandy/on-memecoins-from-a-skeptic

Kyle TutFarcaster
Kyle Tut
Commented 4 months ago
Reid DeRamusFarcaster
Reid DeRamus
Commented 4 months ago

It's true & kinda hilarious.

ElieFarcaster
Elie
Commented 4 months ago

If we jump forward 10 years will any meme coin outperform btc or eth? And what I’ve been wondering for years. Will Doge one day go to zero / majorly collapse? Or is it here to stay indefinitely?

Reid DeRamusFarcaster
Reid DeRamus
Commented 4 months ago

I think there's a very reasonable chance a few memecoins outperform BTC & ETH over the next decade. BUT, the vast majority of memecoins won't take off or will flame out back toward 0. I'm thinking it'll be kind of like other pockets of media: there are only a few musicians / bands, TV shows / movies, gaming franchises that truly breakout and become enormous.

ElieFarcaster
Elie
Commented 4 months ago

I don’t mean a coin valued at 1 today that’s so cheap that it can obviously grow more percentage wise. But let’s say doge or any of the top 10 meme coins today. Can they really self sustain long term?

Mark FishmanFarcaster
Mark Fishman
Commented 4 months ago

Yeah I’m in this camp, and think your “closing ramblings” on generational shifts in investing are probably more relevant than the idea that memecoins offer some sort of social utility Still feel like it’s a technology that’s waiting for its breakout use case

Reid DeRamusFarcaster
Reid DeRamus
Commented 4 months ago

For sure... like if you go up one level from the "memecoin supercycle", understanding that a primary motivator is for people to make money, it's interesting to think about the broader wave that can build around a younger generation's unique approach to investing, using money, etc.

Shira StemberFarcaster
Shira Stember
Commented 4 months ago

I too was (and maybe still am) optimistically skeptical about memecoins, but I think they have the potential to totally change how we think about community building. If you view them beyond pure financial speculation, they become something entirely new: tools for community-driven funding and social-first financial experiences that feel more like joining a movement than using a financial product.

Reid DeRamusFarcaster
Reid DeRamus
Commented 4 months ago

Totally - that's the part I'd like to spend some time brainstorming / imagining how this comes to fruition. Like how does this show up in products we use, IRL, etc. I remember a few years ago there was a lot of hype around "creator tokens". The memecoin waves feels more powerful and sustainable that that, so curious to see where it goes...

Ivo EntchevFarcaster
Ivo Entchev
Commented 4 months ago

I wrote a full-throated defense of memecoins that you might find interesting. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-memecoins-matter-213328434.html I tried to sketch out where I think it’s all headed. Goes beyond Murad’s presentation and introduces some new concepts like PolicyFi.

Reid DeRamusFarcaster
Reid DeRamus
Commented 4 months ago

This is excellent stuff - thanks for sharing. Another recent example of the positive impacts of memecoins: https://x.com/blader/status/1872302462629286220?s=46

Ivo EntchevFarcaster
Ivo Entchev
Commented 4 months ago

Memecoins are a powerful tool for aggregating viral capital. How we direct that superpower is entirely up to us.

On Memecoins from a Skeptic