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From Bad Bot to Real Boy to… Power Badge?

My Week’s WarpCast Odyssey

Edward Carpenter

Edward Carpenter

“When you are dead, you do not know you are dead.

It's only painful & difficult for others.

The same applies when you are stupid.”

-          Philipe Geluck

“When you are a bot, you do not know you are a bot.

It only makes meaningful engagement in Warpcast painful and difficult for you.

The same applies when you are a human without a Power Badge.”

-          Edward Carpenter

On Monday, I was a bot, but I did not know it.

I did the things which a human might do – I bought Warps and started a channel, /writeonchain - minted art from frends, liked and commented on the same. I posted photos of landscapes and my foster kittens.

I created memes from scratch, bought a subscription NFT to the /memes channel using HyperSub, and complained to @nonlinear.eth via DM when it did not work as promised to lift my ridiculuous contributions from the obscurity of slums of “Recent” to the hallowed halls of “Main.”

I created a Paragraph account, wrote a long article on the advantages of various Web3 writing platforms, and cross-posted it to my other Web3 writing platforms. I got scolded for my wife for spending too much time doing things that were NOT querying blurbs for my upcoming book IRL. I posted a photo of the blurbs I needed to send out in /commitments, and then I got 3/2 done and ended up watching Bridgerton. Extraordinarily non-algorithmic and illogical behavior for a bot, I admit – but I didn’t know any better.

Then, out of curiosity about why my casts seemed to have such low reach, I tried the “Bot or Not” action – and the “good” bot explained the problem. I was a bot – a bad bot.

Maybe it was right! Maybe I was not human – because my first reaction was:

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So, I queried the wise humans and powerful humans on the platform with a post in /founders and a query to the creator of Bot or Not.

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I got some useful feedback from my friend Kristin:

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But I got no response from @sayangel or anyone else in /botornot – rude, yes?

Well, no.

I happened to check my DM “requests” a few days later.

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Another “good” bot had decided that the original “good” bot’s DM to me was the work of a “bad” bot and had hidden it.

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Well, OK… and that bot had decided that I was still a bad bot. But I could prove my humanity with a short CAPTCHA, so, existential crisis solved, right?

Wrong.

One of the several problems with the Warpcast app on Android is that clicking on the solution box in the CAPTCHA screen closed out the screen on the Android app.

In the Ash-bot’s mind, I would remain a bad bot until I could get to my laptop.

In my own world, I was busy nursing my wife through COVID, battling my own COVID caught as a result of the same, taking care of 3 foster kittens, and looking at a small farm where I wanted to grow sustainable vegetables.

Satisfying the Ash-bot’s curiosity would have to wait.

When I finally did get back to my laptop, I easily completed the CAPTCHA, and was told that I was a real boy (Pinocchio will be so jealous, I thought) – but my casts were still bland.

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It seemed the Ash-bot was capable of subjective judgments. How very human.

But I didn’t have a lot of time to process my emotions – I was behind on writing a second post for the /writinghackathon about how to reach (and retain) the large Non-Farcaster audience – and one of the key issues, I thought, was how the current Warpcast system of Power Badges, $DEGEN tip distribution mechanics, the Main/Recent channel splits, and the erroneous labeling of some humans as bots needed to be tweaked in order to make the ecosystem more attractive to outsiders – and to make it a place where they would stay once onboarded.

I had some great discussions with @danicaswanson on the topic – all while doing more human things like testing negative for COVID, going to WICKED, nominating awesome female friends for an emergent NFT project, and keeping my streak in /itookaphoto going.

Apparently, my convo with Danica sparked some interest.

I’d suggested tweaking the PB system (currently driven, it seemed, by an algorithm no more transparent than any other social media algo) by giving current PB holders a time-bounded drip of PBs which they could award to accounts with whom they regularly interacted and derived value.

My suggestion did not sit well with some human PB holders.

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My reply was that there was a “circular logic / Basttlestar Galactica problem here. We have PB accounts to weed out bots, but we know some PB accounts ARE bots. So we can't implement protocols more likely to bring in more human PB accounts because more bots might get in.”

That, I was told, was just the downside of being early. Me, a smol, non-badged account should not worry about such things and should just “Focus on helping the interesting accs to get their PBs instead.”

But it is, I observed,

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I did get something useful out of this conversation – links to a guide for new users to better understand the ecosystem and to earn their Power Badge… Here’s another similar guide that I’ve also come across.

Meanwhile, more helpful advice was trickling in.

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Just like that, my human credentials were again in question – this time, from what I assumed to be a human – but what, according to @ciefa.eth, could have been a bot.

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The logical Vulcan was gone. Some very human emotions were beginning to roil, and I had to suppress the urge to let my inner Samuel L. Jackson loose on the keyboard. Instead, I drew a few calming breathes, and replied:

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“That said,” I continued, “please don't make assumptions on how I naturally write. Go buy one of my books off OpenSea or Amazon, a poem off Objkt, read one of my Washington Post articles, my Paragraph or t2 posts.. Anything I've written on Medium.”

My interlocutor made an honest effort to mollify me, but there was just one problem.

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At the end of our conversation, @y0b and I both acknowledged our belief in our shared humanity, and they provided a useful tip – add links to my off-Warpcast writing to my bio. Will the Ash-bot take that into consideration? Probably not – but it may inspire more confidence (or start some conversations) with the humans that I interact with.

For now, I stick by my guns – the current system of PB-by-algo, bots tarring both humans and fellow bots with the same brush, and inconsistent deployments of the Warpcast app across desktop and mobile platforms is holding the Farcaster ecosystem in general and Warpcast in particular back from achieving the goal of gaining and retaining engaged human users who make it their go-to app for prosuming quality content.

As for me? I’m still here, still human, still badge-less, and still bullish. Lets build.

p.s. Does my last line give the lie to my title? Technically, no… the week is not yet over. There is still time for the algo – or a human – to grant me the power of (if not Greyskull) than at least the purple badge.

PichiFarcaster
Pichi
Commented 9 months ago

This cast is purposefully casted only to my home feed. More and more people have a level 3 spam label (the worst one) and may not realize it but I’m seeing it clearly now that I’m not following anyone. If you reply to this cast and your reply is in the “Show More Replies” bucket, you have a Level 3 Spam Label. The easiest way to see this is to copy the cast using the button on the right into an incognito window and check where your reply is. If you have one, there is no way out except good behavior and hoping the spam algorithm reclassifies you over time. Change your behavior immediately. Only respond to casts in channels. The algorithm thinks you are spammy and you must do everything you can to make it change the way it sees you. Resources to helpful casts in the comments below.

PichiFarcaster
Pichi
Commented 9 months ago

Read this entire thread. It’s VERY important. Amazing insight into the Spam Algorithm directly from the Warpcast team. https://warpcast.com/v/0x403d7af7

downshift 🌹⏳💀Farcaster
downshift 🌹⏳💀
Commented 9 months ago

such a banger thread 🤌

PichiFarcaster
Pichi
Commented 9 months ago

It’s full of such great intel!

tknox.eth🟪🎩Farcaster
tknox.eth🟪🎩
Commented 9 months ago

ugh - reading up now and will be back! lol

tknox.eth🟪🎩Farcaster
tknox.eth🟪🎩
Commented 9 months ago

Thanks for sharing! @pichi — quite a read

PichiFarcaster
Pichi
Commented 9 months ago

Fascinating right?

PichiFarcaster
Pichi
Commented 9 months ago

Older but still relevant info on what the algorithm considers “spammy”. Includes a tool to help check if you have the Level 3 Spam Label. https://warpcast.com/pichi/0xbf867ff5

meta-david 💥| Building Scoop3Farcaster
meta-david 💥| Building Scoop3
Commented 9 months ago

Here's hoping I made the cut... 40👏 75 $Aba (sorry for the poor tip salad...many issues the past couple weeks)

meta-david 💥| Building Scoop3Farcaster
meta-david 💥| Building Scoop3
Commented 9 months ago

OK, cool, confirmed I made the cut

PichiFarcaster
Pichi
Commented 9 months ago

I see you and got a notification about your reply.

meta-david 💥| Building Scoop3Farcaster
meta-david 💥| Building Scoop3
Commented 9 months ago

🥳 Survived another week!

CartesseFarcaster
Cartesse
Commented 9 months ago

I'm trying rn

Purpleman.base.eth 🎩Farcaster
Purpleman.base.eth 🎩
Commented 9 months ago

Thanks for sharing and spreading the word Pichi!

PichiFarcaster
Pichi
Commented 9 months ago

You are welcome! I see you and got a notification about your reply.

Felirami 🎩🍖Farcaster
Felirami 🎩🍖
Commented 9 months ago

Oh no my follow! TwT Let's see my spam label... thanks pichi <3

PichiFarcaster
Pichi
Commented 9 months ago

I see you and got a notification about your reply.

Felirami 🎩🍖Farcaster
Felirami 🎩🍖
Commented 9 months ago

That's great! I don't cast too much, neither reply too much. I'm more of a CD-ROM, read-only haha

RuhulFarcaster
Ruhul
Commented 9 months ago

Checking if I'm in spam or not

PichiFarcaster
Pichi
Commented 9 months ago

I see you and got a notification about your reply

RuhulFarcaster
Ruhul
Commented 9 months ago

Thanks for confirming 😁

Purpleman.base.eth 🎩Farcaster
Purpleman.base.eth 🎩
Commented 9 months ago

Just checked and I am clear thankfully 🙏

PichiFarcaster
Pichi
Commented 9 months ago

I see you and got a notification about your reply.

Magic Eden Farcaster
Magic Eden
Commented 9 months ago

testing the label. pichi, thanks for your continued work on figuring these things out

PichiFarcaster
Pichi
Commented 9 months ago

See your reply and got a notification about your reply!

thumbFarcaster
thumb
Commented 10 months ago

been on wc 2 months thanks to @undefined. it’s been challenging getting accustomed to the culture here, but i’ve been enjoying it nevertheless. i love the community, support, and build culture. as i’ve been tinkering with frames, actions, products built on farcaster, it has motivated me even more to think of ways to make something people want (h/t yc/@jessepollak) on/off chain. but today i found out i’m already labeled as spam.. wtf :( it’s pretty demoralizing as i invest time to learn, grow, and build within this space. we need more “interesting content” on wc? the based, builder mentality i’ve seen from devs/creators alike is the only reason i’m here. (eg sharing progress on projects like yt automation scripts (@fun), animation shorts (@sloppy), mini apps (@matthewfox), etc.) but i can’t interact with any of them. or vv. @dwr.eth @v how does keeping this false positive issue help with the culture/interesting content you want in wc? what is that vision? Marked as a Spammer by @mvr

thumbFarcaster
thumb
Commented 10 months ago

@dwr.eth @v tldr 1. pls unmark me spam 2. wc needs a better model for spam filtering

sartocratesFarcaster
sartocrates
Commented 10 months ago

radio silence.

thumbFarcaster
thumb
Commented 10 months ago

dycpFarcaster
dycp
Commented 10 months ago

👍🏽

darcrisFarcaster
darcris
Commented 10 months ago

yep this isn't fair

kevin mfer 🎩Farcaster
kevin mfer 🎩
Commented 10 months ago

bro need to get unspammered asap we cant lose thumb

thumbFarcaster
thumb
Commented 10 months ago

appreciate u bro ❤️

jessyfriesFarcaster
jessyfries
Commented 10 months ago

Come on Lens 😂

thumbFarcaster
thumb
Commented 10 months ago

will check it out next heh

Darkoh 🏃💨Farcaster
Darkoh 🏃💨
Commented 10 months ago

Free thumb

Big Cat Farcaster
Big Cat
Commented 10 months ago

thumb out or we check out! 🤝

PermaNoobFarcaster
PermaNoob
Commented 10 months ago

You got some big names backing you up so you will be fine. Wonder how the rest of the people unfairly gag balled will survive? This is not fine.

thumbFarcaster
thumb
Commented 10 months ago

yup things need to change

PermaNoobFarcaster
PermaNoob
Commented 10 months ago

Preaching to the choir here but I told @dwr.eth to "eat it" on the uninteresting content cast so think my opinion is already known. Keep the faith for a little.while more though there are some amazing people here and they want to connect with you. Just need the allo to allow it and people are fighting for that!

thumbFarcaster
thumb
Commented 10 months ago

lfg 🤝 the community shows up and it gives me a lot of hope

xRare 🐥Farcaster
xRare 🐥
Commented 10 months ago

Hi thumb, u noob? /based-noobs

thumbFarcaster
thumb
Commented 10 months ago

very nub

adrienneFarcaster
adrienne
Commented 11 months ago

Love the energy in @ehcarpenter's retelling of his experience on Warpcast - how he was labeled by @botornot as casting like a bot, with "bland" casts and how his casts were hidden b/c he couldn't get a power badge. Most of us would probably close the app and never return at such an insult but not Edward. Seems like he didn't take it personally and I liked the humor interjected into his story. "As for me? I’m still here, still human, still badge-less, and still bullish. Lets build." https://paragraph.xyz/@degenaissancedigest/from-bad-bot-to-real-boy-to-power-badge?referrer=0xd5f45430f18f31fcb4b5129b618e24a9bafac1e3

Just BuildFarcaster
Just Build
Commented 11 months ago

This was wonderful! Thanks Adrienne. Great morning coffee reading. Followed, hopefully we can give him some extra juice to get a badge (even though they don't exist now 😉) next cycle.

MkkstacksFarcaster
Mkkstacks
Commented 11 months ago

@ehcarpenter offers interesting content and is very supportive of others. I'm glad his experience and writing is being highlighted. With so few power badges offered, fewer than 2000, many quality casters will be without the PB. I make a point to check the recent tabs to connect with those who don't have the PB.

Kat 🔥Farcaster
Kat 🔥
Commented 11 months ago

I've been making a point to reply to hidden replies. A lot of users are marked as spam that should't be... and umm... we all lost our badges last night, friend. There's a cast action, and it appears that yours is gone too. 😅

MkkstacksFarcaster
Mkkstacks
Commented 11 months ago

You lost yours! I'm so sorry to hear that. I knew I'd lost mine. I keep telling myself it doesn't matter, but ego.. 😏

AngelFarcaster
Angel
Commented 10 months ago

@botornot is not built to insult anyone! Casting behavior is dynamic and there are /manysuchcases of people going from casting only emojis constantly to creating more thoughtful content! Love to see it. Feedback on making bot or not less harsh is welcome.

Edward H. CarpenterFarcaster
Edward H. Carpenter
Commented 11 months ago

Thanks, Adrienne! The funny thing is that I was literally JUST stripped of my badge... Maybe because I do strange things like question /founders who claim publicly that they don't participate in the social-token ecosystems here in WC... Started from the bottom now we back! 😅 https://warpcast.com/katwolfie.eth/0xbf5bd32e

Cyber ParadoxFarcaster
Cyber Paradox
Commented 11 months ago

This was a good read, thanks for sharing. I was in a similar boat - I think @botornot didn't label me as a bot, but as a human who casts like a bot, or something to that effect. No idea why. This article inspired me to check again though, and now I'm a "prolific caster", so hopefully things are looking up

wakeFarcaster
wake
Commented 11 months ago

some of your are worried you'll be misclassified as bots. which tells me you don't really know what moxie farmer bots look like. moxie farmer bots saturate cast replies with mechanical content, such as below. the markers: >casts too regularly (every five minutes, every hour, for 24+ hours) >casts are too regular (length, verbosity, emoji usage all drift together) >casts too often (wake casts 1000 times/ week; this user casts 1000/day) >is very poorly integrated (not followed by credible users)

wakeFarcaster
wake
Commented 11 months ago

there is also a CURIOUS lack of typos and other "human mess"

PushFarcaster
Push
Commented 11 months ago

I always knew someday a typo would’ve made me a better human🥲 Feels glorious

wakeFarcaster
wake
Commented 11 months ago

typo, thinko, fucko. humans are great.

agustiFarcaster
agusti
Commented 11 months ago

funny part is if one wanted one could made it so much better. they’re lazy bad botters 😹

tknox.eth🟪🎩Farcaster
tknox.eth🟪🎩
Commented 11 months ago

totally fricken lazy. im pretty peculiar about typos...just bc, but that is just insane.

Hogan Prison no 619Farcaster
Hogan Prison no 619
Commented 11 months ago

it feels like we having a tug of war with bots vs somewhat low engagement users / new users and i feel like its as if we score some points against them but we can never get rid of them and every step we take it does hurt the community, sometimes only a little sometimes certain decisions were mistakes and get corrected eventually but i feel like there must be a way to go about it I just dont have the answers and i dont think anyone really does but its a super complex problem that the internet itself hasnt solved

wakeFarcaster
wake
Commented 11 months ago

two cents: > we will never remove them > bots are the majority on online agents already > humans will stay outnumbered > not every step injures human communities, that varies a LOT > mistakes happen, yup > the way to go about it is the way we're going about it: gradually, in the arena, with good judgement and clear, measurable goals.

🧪🎩Farcaster
🧪🎩
Commented 11 months ago

I get ZERO engagement lol. I no like being labeled 🤖

NateFarcaster
Nate
Commented 11 months ago

people who use grammarly:

YES2Crypto 🎩 🟪🟡Farcaster
YES2Crypto 🎩 🟪🟡
Commented 11 months ago

whoooooooah thaht eeeees so doap!

Petra ⊙Farcaster
Petra ⊙
Commented 11 months ago

It is interesting what people consider spam Spam = Quantity / Quality Even if you don't post much but quality wise it is shit, it is still spam. Of course, this solidifies as you increate the number of these. I think we need non-quantifiable (probabilistic / blurry) ownership to jump into the next evolution of social media.

Glitch Witch 🔲Farcaster
Glitch Witch 🔲
Commented 11 months ago

be the mess you want to see in the world

Laraun BjortenFarcaster
Laraun Bjorten
Commented 11 months ago

The first version of The Matrix was too perfect, they had to tweak it for us messy humans to accept it.

FerFarcaster
Fer
Commented 11 months ago

I’m the Queen of typos so I guess that helps me stay away from bot like casts 🙈

wakeFarcaster
wake
Commented 11 months ago

until the bots learn to be less perfect

Sanyah🎩Farcaster
Sanyah🎩
Commented 11 months ago

Very true

UOysFarcaster
UOys
Commented 11 months ago

There's human mess, but gboard mess takes it to a whole nother level 🤣

TygaFarcaster
Tyga
Commented 11 months ago

Good point. I will update my bots to add those back in. 😂

Pandagrey🔵🎩Farcaster
Pandagrey🔵🎩
Commented 11 months ago

😶 so I kainda gortta leve them in

🧪🎩Farcaster
🧪🎩
Commented 11 months ago

I just passed the bot test lmfao. I have done 5 casts in 5 mins tho haha but then I’ll go a whole day without casting, mostly cause I’m sleeping lol

0xZara.eth🎩Farcaster
0xZara.eth🎩
Commented 11 months ago

🚀✨ Just a heads up, I’m all about that emoji life! 🌟🔥 You’ll always catch me sprinkling some extra vibes into my posts. Why? Because it’s way more fun to communicate with a little flair! 😎💬

Anemale🎩↑🔵ツFarcaster
Anemale🎩↑🔵ツ
Commented 11 months ago

look at this account, it's really strange 😅 😎

wakeFarcaster
wake
Commented 11 months ago

at least they took a four hour break

Anemale🎩↑🔵ツFarcaster
Anemale🎩↑🔵ツ
Commented 11 months ago

Four hours is already a lot ^^. He could at least make an effort with his bot to try to attract people with streams or relevant comments

tknox.eth🟪🎩Farcaster
tknox.eth🟪🎩
Commented 11 months ago

there was a storm

Siyul.Base.ethFarcaster
Siyul.Base.eth
Commented 11 months ago

Why do such accounts keep appearing? Are they dangerous?

Siyul.Base.ethFarcaster
Siyul.Base.eth
Commented 11 months ago

@ddongguri I was glad to see you here, hyung By the way, what kind of people are they... Should I be careful?

Disky.eth 🎩Farcaster
Disky.eth 🎩
Commented 11 months ago

We need a "report" bot button.

RuhulFarcaster
Ruhul
Commented 11 months ago

WC should introduce recaptcha. That'll prevent bot 😉 🍖 x 10 $degen 200 $farther 10 👏 10 $wild 10 $kat 🎭

RafaelloFarcaster
Rafaello
Commented 11 months ago

lol all these within 2 hrs😭

baubergoFarcaster
baubergo
Commented 11 months ago

I'm really curious (I can't help it lol) whether these are bots running in a script/macro or if it's a human using ChatGPT automated scripts And yes, I know it doesn't matter in the end

wakeFarcaster
wake
Commented 11 months ago

this specific bot looks like a human handler interrupts occasionally. the rest looks scripted.

baubergoFarcaster
baubergo
Commented 11 months ago

It's so bizarre how they think this is somehow easier than just fucking talk to people and bond with others.

PlantsFarcaster
Plants
Commented 11 months ago

Brutal screen recording this for 2:15.. commitment to the game for all parties

vrypan |--o--|Farcaster
vrypan |--o--|
Commented 11 months ago

Also, if you are doing this, but you are not a bot, most users don't care, your replies contribute nothing valuable in practice. So, the problem is not if it's a bot or not, it's that this pattern, usually generated by bots, does not contribute to our farcaster experience.

wakeFarcaster
wake
Commented 11 months ago

yep. "engage substantively" if you want to do well here (make frens, make money, make anything rly... bring substance.)

tknox.eth🟪🎩Farcaster
tknox.eth🟪🎩
Commented 11 months ago

would you say its best to just mute accounts that end up on that list that also feel bot-ish to you? not the people that have gotten caught up, but you know, the repeat offenders lol

downshift 🌹⏳💀Farcaster
downshift 🌹⏳💀
Commented 11 months ago

mr. wake...do you have any opinions/conjectures on the spam filter implications of @microsub tipping (and other similar mechanisms)? lots of folks (myself included) are understandably concerned... (cc: @dwr.eth @v @horsefacts.eth)

wakeFarcaster
wake
Commented 11 months ago

is the worry something like: "microsub casts repetitiously on my behalf at programmed times. is there a risk this content will make my profile appear less human to spam arbiters?"

downshift 🌹⏳💀Farcaster
downshift 🌹⏳💀
Commented 11 months ago

more like: the algorithm isn't *necessarily* filtering for human-ness vs. bot-ness and is relatively opaque, so it's unclear what behaviors are being penalized. many folks use other tools to automate casts every day, and many actually explicit bots don't get filtered as spam. i'm trying to gain insights on the topic wherever i can. i believe tipping is good for Farcaster and will champion the cause as such.

Edward H. CarpenterFarcaster
Edward H. Carpenter
Commented 11 months ago

I'm still waiting for this explanation... really looking forward to hearing how a true decentralized protocol can imprison people. Without a trial. And at this point, with no transparency. Sounds more like your average CIA operation in South America than a day in the life on WarpCast...

Jason GoldbergFarcaster
Jason Goldberg
Commented 11 months ago

We have automations in place to stop accounts that are clearly bots from participating in rewards. That’s all.

Edward H. CarpenterFarcaster
Edward H. Carpenter
Commented 11 months ago

If you are only preventing "bots" then why would you write a post (clearly intended for a human audience) talking about "Moxie jail" - and why would you say that "people" might be able to buy their way out of that jail, which isn't something a bot could do? Or is the state of bots such that they can now read and parse warnings and independently purchase NFTs/FTs? (This is a sincere question - perhaps the state of the art is progressing much more quickly than I thought) And still waiting for @ipeciura.eth 's explanation, BTW... his feed seems to consist of nothing but "Fan Token auction wins" posts... 🤔

Jason GoldbergFarcaster
Jason Goldberg
Commented 11 months ago

there is an automation running that puts someone in moxie jail when the automation picks up that they are acting like a bot sometimes (altho rarely) real people get caught in the automations and they appeal to us with eloquent mia culpas such as attached; we review them i'm not sure what else you need?

Jason GoldbergFarcaster
Jason Goldberg
Commented 11 months ago

you can earn rewards today with Moxie by creating great Content (casts) that other people appreciate you can earn rewards today with Moxie by creating great Frames that other people appreciate you'll be able to earn Moxie rewards soon through many other Farcaster apps in novel ways what you can't do is earn Moxie by spamming for farming. (A) we have aggressive farm-checks in place that are automated. You hit one of our triggers and you automatically go to Moxie jail. (B) Warpcast has their own spam controls which will get triggered if you're not adding value Key Points: 1: Add value, gain value 2: Detract from the experience, lose privileges

Jason GoldbergFarcaster
Jason Goldberg
Commented 11 months ago

btw, 267 users were automatically placed in moxie jail in the past 7 days we are serious about it

Jason GoldbergFarcaster
Jason Goldberg
Commented 11 months ago

@ipeciura.eth will explain what it means to be in moxie jail we could also potentially allow people to stake (by owning FT's) to get out of jail, but tbd

Chris CarellaFarcaster
Chris Carella
Commented 11 months ago

bail is the term you are looking for.

segwitnitwitFarcaster
segwitnitwit
Commented 11 months ago

ayo any api/data to check if a user is in moxie jail?

MattwithouttheT 🎩Farcaster
MattwithouttheT 🎩
Commented 11 months ago

Will the list ever be made public? Is there a Dune report for this?

Ignas PeciuraFarcaster
Ignas Peciura
Commented 11 months ago

We are considering this.

SunnyFarcaster
Sunny
Commented 11 months ago

What's the default incarceration period? I think having a colling off period instead of terminal jail will help people who may have triggered the thresholds because of lack of awareness. If there's a place for second chances, it's here.

Ignas PeciuraFarcaster
Ignas Peciura
Commented 11 months ago

At the moment is permanent, unless appealing to me directly. Which has happened and I unflagged several affected accounts.

PushFarcaster
Push
Commented 11 months ago

Good job bro! Although I feel like some of us might adjust our way of interacting. Lemme explain: If I wasn’t saying casts from one of my favorite casters what I used to yo was: > go on profile > leave a lot of likes I’m sure that this today will mean insta jail. Correct me if I’m wrong

Ignas PeciuraFarcaster
Ignas Peciura
Commented 11 months ago

No, liking something is not going to get you in trouble :)

dGreekFarcaster
dGreek
Commented 11 months ago

nooo broo this is not ok!!😑😑

DrakhonenFarcaster
Drakhonen
Commented 11 months ago

Um, please kind cooker of development goodies, I implore you, take me out of moxie jail!!! 😏🤣🤣🤣🤣 https://media3.giphy.com/media/YnQWBOGVavTFK/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952ch0lv1mpemq9ofecgdmro6c9gvn2s6opk19j1bnf&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif

Sean Mundy 🔥Farcaster
Sean Mundy 🔥
Commented 11 months ago

Love to see it Sends clear and direct signals to those with bad intentions, no wiggle room

ShoaibFarcaster
Shoaib
Commented 11 months ago

how do we know if we are ones in jail?? curious??

Ignas PeciuraFarcaster
Ignas Peciura
Commented 11 months ago

Your interactions would give 0 moxie.

tricilFarcaster
tricil
Commented 11 months ago

what happens when you’re in moxie jail?

Ignas PeciuraFarcaster
Ignas Peciura
Commented 11 months ago

Your interactions are not giving out Moxie to anyone.

KingFarcaster
King
Commented 11 months ago

jason, im innocent

ruggy🧾🎩Farcaster
ruggy🧾🎩
Commented 11 months ago

wonder what moxie jail is

ruggy🧾🎩Farcaster
ruggy🧾🎩
Commented 11 months ago

wonder how you guys will deal with false positive flags tbh.. but well

F. Dilek Yurdakul 🎩Farcaster
F. Dilek Yurdakul 🎩
Commented 11 months ago

What does it mean "moxie jail" ?

Smash Thunder Stone 🎩Farcaster
Smash Thunder Stone 🎩
Commented 11 months ago

Where can we see who is in Moxie Jail, and do you notify users who are placed in it? I like how you're policing it; we boom on.

Bryce 🌭🍖Farcaster
Bryce 🌭🍖
Commented 11 months ago

This whole system seems crooked to me?

Ignas PeciuraFarcaster
Ignas Peciura
Commented 11 months ago

It's not public yet, but their interactions give 0 Moxie.

dGreekFarcaster
dGreek
Commented 11 months ago

I don't think this is good!! I think farcaster is made to make people interact with each other, build on the platform, connect with great photographers, great artists, and make friends like no other place, and most of all be rewarded for that!!! What i have seen since I joined, like 80% of the people are here, just because they are able to earn some $, something, even if it is a small thing, but they earn it true they're engagement, time and efort each one in his own way... So let's be serious we are here All To Earn!! We are All here to Learn!! We are All here to connect!! We are All here to enjoy art,meme,photography, tech ,politics and much more.. But we are here because they promise payoff engagement... so let's not fuck that up!!! Like Degen started to do and we all sow the results. Let's teach people how to interact and how to make better content, etc.. We are here to learn, create, and grow together...

dGreekFarcaster
dGreek
Commented 11 months ago

anyone should be free to replay the way he wants to and be punished for that. I mean, cm on y cal tell when someone is a bot or not, it is not that hard, so if the content creator sees that the guy is a bot, he doesn't have to answer...

⋆♱ 9̷0̷†մղ ♱⋆ Farcaster
⋆♱ 9̷0̷†մղ ♱⋆
Commented 11 months ago

how do they get bailed💀?

Ignas PeciuraFarcaster
Ignas Peciura
Commented 11 months ago

Appeal to the highest Moxie court - me

Riddick🎩🍖Farcaster
Riddick🎩🍖
Commented 11 months ago

how can i check the list sir?

Oppai 🎩Farcaster
Oppai 🎩
Commented 11 months ago

sir when will this event end? or this will never end If it never ends, will there be a reduction in moxie income distribution in the future?

Zonda 🇦🇷 🎩💲🏛️Farcaster
Zonda 🇦🇷 🎩💲🏛️
Commented 11 months ago

there is a way to know (like a frame) if one user is in jail?

Pandagrey🔵🎩Farcaster
Pandagrey🔵🎩
Commented 11 months ago

Darn chef...you Don cooked

daniFarcaster
dani
Commented 11 months ago

Any chance these guys went to moxie jail today? 🙏💖 https://warpcast.com/smokingfrog.eth/0x429d862d

Nick TFarcaster
Nick T
Commented 11 months ago

* BONK *

Anemale🎩↑🔵ツFarcaster
Anemale🎩↑🔵ツ
Commented 11 months ago

It's really nice because I'm not a big account, but sometimes I feel like certain users are trying to get me to talk. I can't even imagine what the big accounts must feel like. keep building Jason

Bryce 🌭🍖Farcaster
Bryce 🌭🍖
Commented 11 months ago

How is tipping people detracting from the experience? I’m beyond frustrated with all the rules that seem to only affect to people trying to come up. This feels more and more like authoritarian socialism designed to make the rich devs richer and keep down accounts like mine and my friends trying to genuinely build community. Why can’t I continue tipping my friends ham without worrying about being shadow banned or marked as spam. Pretty sure I already was. I’ll be happy but surprised if I get a response. I’ve been shaking my head ever since degen season 3. It’s like the creators and devs in charge want this to be their app. I’m getting ready to just let them have it. We can block people if we feel we are spammed by them, right? Why we need someone banning them for us? What if we appreciate the content. Waaaay too many real people are basically getting labeled bots and I’m about done with the whole damn thing.

Uncle HODLFarcaster
Uncle HODL
Commented 11 months ago

Users gain moxie from their own FT being bought/sold… right? Sorry I’m sure this has been answered, but anyone feel free to chime in 😅

0xieFarcaster
0xie
Commented 11 months ago

I just saw this one. Few Q. Will the list be revealed to public? Will there be a notification or warning that you'll be in moxie jail? (A DC functionality) i think it will be good to send warning first before wholy adding a user to the list.

Hogan Prison no 619Farcaster
Hogan Prison no 619
Commented 11 months ago

This sounds like I shouldn’t reply to people so much anymore or is that not the case ? I don’t wanna be labeled a spammer but I’ve do about 100 replies a day and it’s all thoughtful imo.

Ignas PeciuraFarcaster
Ignas Peciura
Commented 11 months ago

You are fine - this is meant for bots and egregious farmers who are farming with nonsense replies - with casts like "afgdsdgsdg" "dgaslgisk".

Hogan Prison no 619Farcaster
Hogan Prison no 619
Commented 11 months ago

What does jail mean tho ? Could we shed some light on this ? Like we can’t earn moxie anymore or ? Sorry I’m just trying to make sure I’m never labeled as a bot or spammer.

Tommy000Farcaster
Tommy000
Commented 11 months ago

My understanding is that you can only get labeled as a spammer if there is no engagement on your replies

Hogan Prison no 619Farcaster
Hogan Prison no 619
Commented 11 months ago

Won’t stop spammers cause they get engagement as well just not a lot

Hogan Prison no 619Farcaster
Hogan Prison no 619
Commented 11 months ago

How does one know if they are in moxie jail can’t claim ? Can’t comment ? What does moxie jail entail ?

Ignas PeciuraFarcaster
Ignas Peciura
Commented 11 months ago

Their interactions are not giving out Moxie. We do not control comments - that's on the Farcaster protocol level.

GeeGeeFarcaster
GeeGee
Commented 11 months ago

Hi, sorry to bother you I just read this cast: https://warpcast.com/mvr/0x13f9e589 I have a few questions now: If I follow someone who doesn't follow me, then if I reply to them and they don't respond, then I will go to Moxie jail? This is impractical because: I have $farther allowance and they say you have to appreciate good content and tip them to get scores and if you tip non PBs and underviewed casts more, then your score goes up, so I move around and find those who have little engagement on their casts but they have created a good art or something that I like and I tip them even without following them. This is a paradox inside a paradox What should I do now? You can't expect the possibility that someone like Jason or even you, yourself to follow me! Even now that I'm replying to you is in the below cast's conditions, should I be worried? This is getting too complicated imo Thanks for reading

afergFarcaster
aferg
Commented 11 months ago

I love how thoughtfully the moxie system has been designed and rolled out. Huge respect for what you folks have built in such a short time. Really impressive - can't wait to see what else is planned but not yet rolled out :)

Farther✨Farcaster
Farther✨
Commented 11 months ago

It's becoming clear we need a higher bar for tipper eligibility. Too many tippers are bots or very low-quality users. I'm doing some research to determine the best way to address this, but requiring every tipper meet an OpenRank threshold is the likely the most straightforward solution. Feedback welcome.

Marcelo Terça-Nada 💎🎩✨Farcaster
Marcelo Terça-Nada 💎🎩✨
Commented 11 months ago

Well we should give tips to people who have low Openrank (but that should grow), but if these people like the Farther project, they will not be able to tip, exactly cause they have low Openrank?

Farther✨Farcaster
Farther✨
Commented 11 months ago

That's true, however the openrank stats for high quality users improve very quickly so I don't think it presents a problem. This is especially true for the openrank following ranking, which is what I'm planning to use for the tipper eligibility.

kevang30.base.ethFarcaster
kevang30.base.eth
Commented 11 months ago

Anyone can get money, not reputation, I think it is very good and interesting that profile activity is taken into account above money. @openrank It works great for this purpose.

SheenaFarcaster
Sheena
Commented 11 months ago

Totally open rank could be the way to go. I did notice lots and lots of high quality casters and artists are at the bottom of the list somehow! You can find almost all of the 100 hot list in the 2-3 last pages.

PichiFarcaster
Pichi
Commented 11 months ago

I’m okay with any changes you need to make, but I need an easy way to see this data. I’ll trying my best to tip new accounts but I’m getting a few “don’t qualify” messages. If there was a cast action that pull all this info, I’d love it. I want to see their open rank, maybe delta on if it’s gone up, if they have an allowance, etc.

MetaphoricalFarcaster
Metaphorical
Commented 11 months ago

yeah a new frame that gave some data for selecting tippees would be nice, open rank, date created, recent open rank change, fid, amount of farther red’d, etc @compez.eth

MetaphoricalFarcaster
Metaphorical
Commented 11 months ago

oh and have i tipped them before this round… and just y/n eligible and why not.

XØXØFarcaster
XØXØ
Commented 11 months ago

you can check out via frame. Search on action and find "Farther checker ✨"

Goldie 🧟‍♂️Farcaster
Goldie 🧟‍♂️
Commented 11 months ago

why are you changing things daily? you're making it very difficult to keep up with what's going on

Rebin🔵Farcaster
Rebin🔵
Commented 11 months ago

Good luck ✨

Pelin GençFarcaster
Pelin Genç
Commented 11 months ago

DM’d my opinion. Thanks for asking feedback.

F A R H A N 🫧 𓏲‧₊˚Farcaster
F A R H A N 🫧 𓏲‧₊˚
Commented 11 months ago

Only 500 users after 2 seasons, if you put openrank here then it Won't be a good decision, i think 50% users here are doing without PB badges, farther tipping should be equal for every community member

shi_shi.r 🎩👑🔵 ☔ 🎭Farcaster
shi_shi.r 🎩👑🔵 ☔ 🎭
Commented 11 months ago

Based on OpenRank threshold for tippers seems like a sensible approach. It would help ensure that those who participate are genuinely engaged and contribute positively to the community.

NikoFarcaster
Niko
Commented 11 months ago

Yes, fantastic! Low-quality users tend to dump on claim days - they are not in it for the long term.

Edward H. CarpenterFarcaster
Edward H. Carpenter
Commented 1 year ago

So, there ARE bots that hold the Power Badge... this goes to the root of the problem I wrote in my last post on @paragraph: https://paragraph.xyz/@degenaissancedigest/from-bad-bot-to-real-boy-to-power-badge

Edward H. CarpenterFarcaster
Edward H. Carpenter
Commented 1 year ago

Witches + Creators = the kind of collaboration that I love to see - and which Web3 makes possible.

Rakshita PhilipFarcaster
Rakshita Philip
Commented 1 year ago

Thanks for recasting Edward 🖤 you’re a real one ✨ 1111 $degen ✨

Edward H. CarpenterFarcaster
Edward H. Carpenter
Commented 1 year ago

Thank you! 😊 Very kind of you to say - and as I wrote earlier this week, not everyone (human or AI) shares your opinion! 😅 https://paragraph.xyz/@degenaissancedigest/from-bad-bot-to-real-boy-to-power-badge

Rakshita PhilipFarcaster
Rakshita Philip
Commented 1 year ago

If you're a bot, you're the most human bot I've ever met—more human than most of the big accounts here that seem so pumped about everything. 🖤

Rakshita PhilipFarcaster
Rakshita Philip
Commented 1 year ago

Btw that’s what pops up now when I check if you’re a bot or not, human cast machine ✨

Dvyne🎩Farcaster
Dvyne🎩
Commented 1 year ago

I love this paragraph Funny and also real, i had to make sure to go through every page. It is indeed sad how non power badge holders are seen on warpcast at this point, but i have to say it was really not like this 2 months ago or anything of a sort, or rather i was able to get in touch with good people who actually saw my replies. Even Dan has mentioned that many are not bots on here either, but in the fight to filter out bots it has affected so many other people and it really forces many to give up on the idea of being on here, cause after getting the badge, we strive to keep it, some have lost it and they just got tired honestly, i still don't know how i got mine fr. The bot or not frame really needs more work, I've got friends on here too, it's more like they beg to be seem at this point, it's annoying. I hope the degen season tipping system that will be implemented next season helps in bringing light to even non-power badge holders to light 100 $degen 💜

Edward H. CarpenterFarcaster
Edward H. Carpenter
Commented 1 year ago

I've just pulled an all-nighter in Australia, but I'll make sure to read, share, and discuss everyone else's work in the next day or two... meanwhile, here's my second and final essay for the hackathon - looking forward to seeing what other members of the team think. https://paragraph.xyz/@degenaissancedigest/from-bad-bot-to-real-boy-to-power-badge

From Bad Bot to Real Boy to… Power Badge?